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Post by Z451 on Mar 2, 2014 16:38:52 GMT
As Venom, D, and I were recently discussing, we feel that some concrete and well defined character guidelines for submissions are necessary for this new site. The problem here, is that we are faced with the idea of either A) following the CBUB guidelines to a T, as seen here> www.electricferret.com/forum/index.php/topic/138-read-me-first-general-acceptance-faq/, or B) going our own way, as we are now independent, in a sense from the old web site. Hence, I open both this discussion, and this poll, in the hopes of gathering a community analysis from you, my fellow Ferrets, or Foxes, I guess, to see in which direction you wish to proceed. |
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Post by kainboa on Mar 2, 2014 22:25:22 GMT
Set down some actual rules, rather than guidelines that can be bent if the reviewer feels that the character falls under some arbitrary rule of "having pop culture significance"
have a few straightforward rules that doesn't really need to be interpreted in any particular way like "only fictional characters" or something like that.
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Post by DSkillz on Mar 3, 2014 1:24:26 GMT
We'll see what others have to say on this, but right off the bat it's likely a good idea to not allow any groups/people that actively and historically promote hate, such as the Nazis and the KKK.
Also, what do you guys think about whether or not we should add profiles for fan-fic characters and the like? They weren't really allowed on EF (as IIRC, it was felt that they aren't significant enough to pop culture). And personally, there's a part of me that wonders if allowing them would create something of a slippery slope.
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Post by xLEGACYx on Mar 3, 2014 20:57:30 GMT
I agree about not having things like nazis or kkk like groups. I would like so see mostly only fictional characters/groups. Since the site is for mainly fan fiction stories and discussion I see no real need for anything in the pop culture or historical for the site. Nothing against those but they would take up a lot of space and time and were rarely used.
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Post by jesus20456 on Mar 4, 2014 4:10:41 GMT
We could try a tiering system in the character submissions to get rid of ridiculous mismatches.
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Post by DSkillz on Mar 6, 2014 4:11:40 GMT
C'mon, guys. We need much more feedback if we're going to set things up here. I would like so see mostly only fictional characters/groups. Since the site is for mainly fan fiction stories and discussion I see no real need for anything in the pop culture or historical for the site. Nothing against those but they would take up a lot of space and time and were rarely used. There were actually characters in CBUB's pop culture section that got plenty of use, such as action stars like Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, and James Bond. Also, popular comedic characters that didn't fit in one of the database's "Big Four" sections (Comics, Games, Anime, and Cartoons) also had some good use in the Pop Culture section. As for the historical ... eh, well, it would be good to see what others would have to say on that. We could try a tiering system in the character submissions to get rid of ridiculous mismatches. Ooohh, I don't know. That sounds kind of complex, and we don't have the knowledge or resources to make something like this stick in the site code like serge/Fox did. |
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Post by mercenaryblade on Mar 6, 2014 4:43:53 GMT
I may be repeating a few things but here's my thought on our guidelines
I say no to fanfic characters.
Historical figures are fine if they're pop culture relevant, but none that are offensive like Hitler or Stalin, even though downfall parody Hitler would be fun.
Also stuff that's uh, pornographic in background I'd say would also be a no-no.
Also keep the no politician rule unles it's someone like Teddy Roosevelt who was pop culture significant and so many other things besides a polotician.
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Post by xLEGACYx on Mar 6, 2014 11:07:46 GMT
C'mon, guys. We need much more feedback if we're going to set things up here. I would like so see mostly only fictional characters/groups. Since the site is for mainly fan fiction stories and discussion I see no real need for anything in the pop culture or historical for the site. Nothing against those but they would take up a lot of space and time and were rarely used. There were actually characters in CBUB's pop culture section that got plenty of use, such as action stars like Jack Bauer, Jason Bourne, and James Bond. Also, popular comedic characters that didn't fit in one of the database's "Big Four" sections (Comics, Games, Anime, and Cartoons) also had some good use in the Pop Culture section. As for the historical ... eh, well, it would be good to see what others would have to say on that. We could try a tiering system in the character submissions to get rid of ridiculous mismatches. Ooohh, I don't know. That sounds kind of complex, and we don't have the knowledge or resources to make something like this stick in the site code like serge/Fox did. oh well I was thinking of characters like bond and bauer in one of the fictional groups. As far as pop culture I was thinking of chuck norris, hulk hogan, and bruce lee. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 17:23:08 GMT
I believe that the 'any fictional character' rule is good. We need some equality with our fictional characters! As for fan fic characters, I actually don't feel that against it at all. The only rule should be no original characters created for this site, outside of maybe past FPL characters. Even fictional versions of real people is okay. Who wouldn't want to see Margaret Thatcher from the Iron Lady VS Sonichu? lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 17:25:12 GMT
But then again, it kind of depends on what the creators believe are fictional characters. I mean, will we allow, say, concept art characters? McQuarrie Star Wars characters have already been stated to be their own characters, but what about other 'concept art' characters?
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Post by DSkillz on Jun 2, 2014 0:46:49 GMT
Any more input on fan-fic characters or the like?
Also, here are some additional suggestions for the Database discussed by PM. Feel free to discuss.
I looked over the way the database is being sorted, and while by itself it isn't hard to navigate (i.e. I have no problem trying to find the characters I want) I kinda felt that the way the categories are being sorted lacked a sense of uniformity. I mean, for one we have folders grouped by media type. (i.e. anime/manga, comics, cartoon and games) But on the other hand we also have folders grouped by genre. (i.e. sci-fi, fantasy and horror) The way I see it, this might present some issues as to trying to group certain characters - for example, what about live-action TV/films and books that don't fall into either sci-fi, fantasy or horror? And also, there are many comics, anime and games that could easily fall under sci-fi, fantasy or horror genres too. Now, I'm no expert on board coding, but personally my idea is to have the character database folders be sorted based on media; anime, comics, cartoons and games - and on top of that, films/live-action TV, and books; then of course, the Pop Culture folder for anything that doesn't readily fit in - i.e. webcomics (i.e. VG Cats, Penny Arcade, Girl Genius, Drowtales, Michael Poe's stuff, etc.), internet memes, Flash animations (very popular long-running series of Flash toons like Neurotically Yours, Salad Fingers, Madness Combat, Broken Saints, etc.)
I'm no expert on forum coding and scripts, but is this forum software capable of allowing posters to add tags to their threads for easier searching? Because if so, then I think while folders (IMO) should be sorted based on media type, tags can be added to a character's profile thread to further categorize them according to their genre, tropes and such. Take my Misaka submission in the anime folder for example - some tags that can be added to her profile might include say, "modern", "action", "hero", "female", "school", and such. Not too sure how much work that might require, but there's my two cents.
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Post by DSkillz on Jun 7, 2014 20:47:22 GMT
C'mon, guys. The sooner we can finish this, the sooner every user can have some general rules/guidelines in place to go by to make their own character profiles.
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Post by jesus20456 on Jun 14, 2014 22:02:53 GMT
Well, here's my 2 cents on the issue. (keep in mind I'm not 100% sure how anything works.)
What characters should be added: While I think that eventually pretty much every character belongs in the cbub database, I doubt we can actually make that happen as we are now. My suggestion is that any character that someone writes enough information for and a certain amount of people agree should be in the database should be let in, and the number can be adjusted. This will keep limited the amount of characters in the database.
what categories should the database be divided into: Horror, Fantasy, Sci-Fi, comics, action/adventure, video games. I think that about covers most characters that would be in the cbub.
what characters should go where: characters go into whatever categories they fall into.
Another good option is to just not have a database, though that would make finding old matches harder it'd make it easier to come up with matches between obscure characters which is worth it. I'm not sure if this helped at all, but that's about all I got. I'll post more things as stuff occurs to me and people really should help out, come on guys, we have a cbub to rebuild.
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Post by Bloody Freak on Jun 15, 2014 17:23:48 GMT
I agree with mostly everything but I believe some people like Mike Tyson, Chuck Norris, Bruce Lee, ect. should be acceptable as well.
There should definitely be a database though. Character records and links to the matches are a nice addition to the site.
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Post by jesus20456 on Jun 15, 2014 19:38:46 GMT
I do agree that some people should be in (though I'd argue that most people fictionalize the abilities of all of those people.)Also, while a database would be a great addition, it's not something we need right now. It would be an acceptable loss in order to be able to put out more matches.
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