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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2015 22:14:12 GMT
Given that he created one of the largest fictional multiverses ever that has multiple nigh-omnipotent beings within it (like Eternity, Death and most notoriously, The Living Tribunal) and that he is infinitely more powerful than all of them, is it safe to say that The One Above All is the most powerful character ever created with words and ink? Can any other character possibly stand up to such a force, and if so, could you name them? I have been thinking about including The One Above All in a future match against anyone who could possibly stand a chance against him.
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Post by bi-han on Jan 17, 2015 14:35:09 GMT
No, he isn't.
He is omnipotent. Any other character that is also omnipotent, is just as powerful as TOAA.
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Post by kainboa on Jan 18, 2015 0:54:22 GMT
To add to what bi-Han wrote.
There aren't varying degrees of omnipotence, either a character\entity is omnipotent or he\she\it isn't.
Any other character\entity that is omnipotent, like the source in DC, would be equally powerful and any match between them would end up in a stalemate.
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Post by DSkillz on Jan 18, 2015 3:45:05 GMT
You know, I've always been in the line of thinking that every omnipotent character in every fictional media may very well be considered the same entity.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 10:08:49 GMT
You know, I've always been in the line of thinking that every omnipotent character in every fictional media may very well be considered the same entity. That's a good theory, but what about in games and comics where gods from different mythologies meet up? It's a bit weird though. Even though The One Above All is THE God of the Marvel Multiverse, there was also the Brother from Marvel VS DC who was supposed to represent the Marvel universe as a whole. |
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Post by kainboa on Jan 18, 2015 15:43:14 GMT
You know, I've always been in the line of thinking that every omnipotent character in every fictional media may very well be considered the same entity. There are several different ones that have different personalities, which would render that particular theory void. |
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Post by bigballerju on Jan 18, 2015 23:22:09 GMT
JLA vs Avengers which was canon before New 52 confirmed Marvel and DC's universes are completely different. That is additional proof for both major companies at least that the entities are different.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2015 16:20:43 GMT
JLA vs Avengers which was canon before New 52 confirmed Marvel and DC's universes are completely different. That is additional proof for both major companies at least that the entities are different. Still is canon. Old DC universes are coming back. |
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Post by leroypowell3 on Jan 21, 2015 2:23:45 GMT
JLA vs Avengers which was canon before New 52 confirmed Marvel and DC's universes are completely different. That is additional proof for both major companies at least that the entities are different. Still is canon. Old DC universes are coming back. Really? That actually makes me happy. There's a lot to the New 52 that I don't like (naturally) As for the question. I see what you're getting at. Marvel is the largest multiverse out there. So it's logical that he could be the most powerful. But who could stand to fight him? Or for that matter what other omnipotent beings are there in fiction? I remember asking this question on the old site. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Jan 21, 2015 3:31:33 GMT
You know, I've always been in the line of thinking that every omnipotent character in every fictional media may very well be considered the same entity. There are several different ones that have different personalities, which would render that particular theory void. For a multi dimensional being, different personalities is hardly a good enough reason to omit the possibility of a singular entity. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Jan 21, 2015 3:35:37 GMT
To add to what bi-Han wrote. There aren't varying degrees of omnipotence, either a character\entity is omnipotent or he\she\it isn't. Any other character\entity that is omnipotent, like the source in DC, would be equally powerful and any match between them would end up in a stalemate. There actually are varying degrees of omnipotence. Not to be contrary, but there are different kinds of infinity, which means there can be different kinds of omnipotence. Infinity squared, infinity cubed, infinity(x)0.5, ect. Functionally, there doesn't seem to be a difference, but technically, there is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2015 15:46:40 GMT
To add to what bi-Han wrote. There aren't varying degrees of omnipotence, either a character\entity is omnipotent or he\she\it isn't. Any other character\entity that is omnipotent, like the source in DC, would be equally powerful and any match between them would end up in a stalemate. There actually are varying degrees of omnipotence. Not to be contrary, but there are different kinds of infinity, which means there can be different kinds of omnipotence. Infinity squared, infinity cubed, infinity(x)0.5, ect. Functionally, there doesn't seem to be a difference, but technically, there is. My brain now hurts. But the Living Tribunal and Eternity are omnipotent, right? Yet they are still said to be very weak compared to One Above All. |
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Post by kainboa on Jan 21, 2015 17:47:57 GMT
For a multi dimensional being, different personalities is hardly a good enough reason to omit the possibility of a singular entity.
It is when some of those beings are specifically shown to be singular beings, rather than simply aspects of one greater being.
There actually are varying degrees of omnipotence.
No, there isn't, it is a fairly simple matter of definition.
Not to be contrary, but there are different kinds of infinity, which means there can be different kinds of omnipotence.
This would be true if infinity and omni-anything had something to do with each other, but since they don't there isn't.
Functionally, there doesn't seem to be a difference, but technically, there is.
Both functionality and technically there is a fairly distinct difference.
But the Living Tribunal and Eternity are omnipotent, right?
Yes and no, Eternity is stated to be Omnipotent, while the Living tribunal is "merely" virtually omnipotent.
However since there has been shown limits to his power, he is not omnipotent.
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Post by bi-han on Jan 22, 2015 2:11:32 GMT
Neither Eternity nor the Living Tribunal are omnipotent.
The only omnipotent being in the Marvel universe is TOAA.
Similarly, the Man of Miracles is the only omnipotent being in Spawn's universe(I forget the name).
While Yahweh is the only omnipotent being in the DC universe(the Source, the Presence, the Voice, etc. being aspects of Yahweh).
That said, I would love to see some of G4's examples of characters with "varying degrees of omnipotence".
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Post by bigballerju on Jan 22, 2015 14:42:18 GMT
JLA vs Avengers which was canon before New 52 confirmed Marvel and DC's universes are completely different. That is additional proof for both major companies at least that the entities are different. Still is canon. Old DC universes are coming back. Its not canon for New 52 which is the main Earth. JLA vs. Avengers, Trinity, and more never happened. We don't know what DC has planned with telling multiple stories for all these universes. One will think they will use it shake things up in the New 52 and alter some stuff they screwed up on. Though this is beside the point for this thread.
To be honest omnipotent is omnipotent. There is no various levels of it. That is very true.
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