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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 15:23:53 GMT
So what would happen if Marvel's God met a God of equal power. Would they just shake hands and walk off?
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Post by kainboa on Jan 22, 2015 17:56:07 GMT
So what would happen if Marvel's God met a God of equal power. Would they just shake hands and walk off? Either that or get locked into a conflict that can't end in anything but a stalemate. |
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Post by bigballerju on Jan 22, 2015 18:49:01 GMT
Unless one of them decides to pay Saint of Killers a visit from Preacher and borrow his gun.
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Post by g4hardcore on Jan 22, 2015 19:44:15 GMT
For a multi dimensional being, different personalities is hardly a good enough reason to omit the possibility of a singular entity.It is when some of those beings are specifically shown to be singular beings, rather than simply aspects of one greater being. There actually are varying degrees of omnipotence.No, there isn't, it is a fairly simple matter of definition. Not to be contrary, but there are different kinds of infinity, which means there can be different kinds of omnipotence.This would be true if infinity and omni-anything had something to do with each other, but since they don't there isn't. Functionally, there doesn't seem to be a difference, but technically, there is.Both functionality and technically there is a fairly distinct difference. But the Living Tribunal and Eternity are omnipotent, right?Yes and no, Eternity is stated to be Omnipotent, while the Living tribunal is "merely" virtually omnipotent. However since there has been shown limits to his power, he is not omnipotent. "Lost in translation." I think we're likely going to have to agree to disagree, seeing as how I prefer to view things as a sort of theoretical playground as opposed to a concrete jungle. A multi dimensional being transcends traditional dimensions, and by extension, transcends the traditional way of thinking about things. If a being such TOAA were truly multidimensional and omnipotent, it's equally likely that every character the reader perceives is an extension of the creator, a facet of the imagination. One could also say an omnipotent God could create an individual state from itself, except that it created that individual and is inexplicably connected to this being by higher dimensional strings. I'm treading dangerous territory here, but I'm not blatantly wrong. Omnipotent: To do anything. Infinity: Without limit. To a two dimensional being, a three dimensional being could be construed as functionally omnipotent. Extend that example to higher dimensions, and one could see that infinity is in the eye of the beholder. TOAA could be virtually omnipotent in the eyes of a higher being, and literally omnipotent in the context of lesser beings. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Jan 22, 2015 19:47:36 GMT
To be honest omnipotent is omnipotent. There is no various levels of it. That is very true.
Omnipotent is omnipotent in limited contexts. The universe is not unlimited, it is finite. Beyond the edge of finite lies foundations that exceed what we think we know about everything we think we know. |
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Post by kainboa on Jan 23, 2015 14:59:57 GMT
I think we're likely going to have to agree to disagree
Most likely.
I'm treading dangerous territory here, but I'm not blatantly wrong.
Well lets see, the creators of the various characters says you're wrong, there's in-universe, and in some cases in-multiverse, characters who says you're wrong.
So yeah, I would say that you are blatantly wrong.
Your argument thus far has been purely based around opinion rather than facts, so after this particular post, unless you actually provide some evidence to show that your point of view is right, rather than just another unsubstantiated opinion, I'm not going to continue debating.
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Post by g4hardcore on Jan 23, 2015 18:29:37 GMT
suite.io/isaac-m-mcphee/p4t2y0"Mathematical set theory has led to some interesting conclusions over the years. One of the most interesting is the idea that not all infinities are equal(...) This being said, it shouldn't be too much of a stretch to assume that all infinites are equal. Equally infinite." Above is a link to one of many sites/videos that delve into the mathematics behind degrees of infinity, a solid and non-opinion based concept. The question being asked here is if Marvel's 'God' is the most powerful. My answer to that, is perhaps. The creators of the characters are quite disembodied. One minute this, the next that. Nobody agrees and retcons happen. If they could provide an infallible story, I'd be more inclined to take what they say more seriously from a concrete point of view, those fickle writers. Great story tellers though. If you have any proof that the writers all generally say the same thing, in that my postulation is absolutely incorrect (as you say the writers have said), I'll gladly rest my case.
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Post by g4hardcore on Jan 23, 2015 18:33:33 GMT
So what would happen if Marvel's God met a God of equal power. Would they just shake hands and walk off? Maybe they'd fight each other until both are annihilated, and the remnants of the dead gods would coalesce to give rise to a new pantheon? It might be like putting particles in a particle accelerator against each other at the speed of light. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 19:21:10 GMT
But what would happen if someone created a character explicitly stated to be more powerful than the One Above All. Would that character then be declared truly omnipotent, and the OAA would then be declared... Not omnipotent?
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Post by g4hardcore on Jan 23, 2015 19:30:13 GMT
But what would happen if someone created a character explicitly stated to be more powerful than the One Above All. Would that character then be declared truly omnipotent, and the OAA would then be declared... Not omnipotent? Yeah, he'd be called One Above The One. Marvel should write a story about OAA's parents grounding him for a month. On a serious note, that's where degrees of infinity come in, or perspective, or dimensions, or odd writing. Omnipotence is the new impotence! |
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Post by bi-han on Jan 30, 2015 17:19:48 GMT
Unless one of them decides to pay Saint of Killers a visit from Preacher and borrow his gun. Except for the fact that the Saint of Killer's gun hasn't, at any point, been shown to kill omnipotent beings. In fact, if I'm not completely mis-remembering, it was fairly blatantly stated that it can't. But what would happen if someone created a character explicitly stated to be more powerful than the One Above All. Would that character then be declared truly omnipotent, and the OAA would then be declared... Not omnipotent? If someone created a character, explicitly stating that character to be more powerful than TOAA, chances are that it would not be Marvel that had created that character. And since that character would not be part of the Marvel multi-verse, it would be a non-sensical and useless statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:00:47 GMT
Unless one of them decides to pay Saint of Killers a visit from Preacher and borrow his gun. Except for the fact that the Saint of Killer's gun hasn't, at any point, been shown to kill omnipotent beings. In fact, if I'm not completely mis-remembering, it was fairly blatantly stated that it can't. But what would happen if someone created a character explicitly stated to be more powerful than the One Above All. Would that character then be declared truly omnipotent, and the OAA would then be declared... Not omnipotent? If someone created a character, explicitly stating that character to be more powerful than TOAA, chances are that it would not be Marvel that had created that character. And since that character would not be part of the Marvel multi-verse, it would be a non-sensical and useless statement. Crossovers are a thing, mate. And how do you know Marvel wouldn't do such a thing? I think you're the one being nonsensical. |
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Post by bi-han on Jan 31, 2015 9:59:50 GMT
1. While crossovers are a thing, Marvel has a tendency to consider crossovers as non-canonical. Not to mention that Marvel has to agree with what happens in any crossover with the Marvel universe. 2. Marvel are the ones who has created TOAA, specifically for the purpose of being their 'creator' figure. He, among other things, get used as an in-universe representation of the writers, it would go against everything they've done with the character(and I use that term loosely), to make another character who is 'more powerful'. And I never said that they wouldn't do it, I said that(and I quote) "chances are that it would not be Marvel". Try actually reading what I say  |
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