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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 22:49:51 GMT
Yeah, PPP, they may be awesome in certain match-ups, but that wouldn't justify them being in the actual data-base. You can have a cook-off with between Aunt May and Aunt Jemima for all it's worth, that wouldn't be enough to actually add them to the base. We do comic battles here, and Aunt May has no battle experience, so I wouldn't allow her. Sorry dude, but there are some serious holes in your logic here. So, even if Aunt May has appeared in a few good matches, she still shouldn't be allowed in the database? If a character has appeared in a good match, then shouldn't that automatically make them good database material for this site? What about all the characters in the database who have never appeared in a comic? Should they all be exiled too, since we only do 'comic battles' here. Aunt May is from a comic anyway. (I don't know why I am relentlessly defending Aunt May here, even though I don't really like her that much)
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Post by DSkillz on Nov 15, 2014 21:30:56 GMT
Good points so far. Keep up the discussion, though. Everything is being taken into consideration here.
So how do you guys feel about adding alter egos (ex.: Zelda/Sheik) or secondary personalities (ex.: Hulk/Joe Fixit/World War Hulk/etc.) of a character as separate profiles?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2014 22:29:20 GMT
Good points so far. Keep up the discussion, though. Everything is being taken into consideration here. So how do you guys feel about adding alter egos (ex.: Zelda/Sheik) or secondary personalities (ex.: Hulk/Joe Fixit/World War Hulk/etc.) of a character as separate profiles? If the personas and powers are different enough, then yes, they should be included as separate characters.
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Post by DSkillz on Nov 16, 2014 21:55:51 GMT
Eh, I just realized I should've been more clear on the "alter ego" part of my earlier question.
When I say "alter ego", I don't really mean to include "everyman" secret identities, such as Bruce Wayne or Peter Parker. I'm talking alter egos that are both openly formidable skill in their own right, hence the Zelda/Shiek example.
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Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 17, 2014 0:05:24 GMT
I don't know that it's necessary in the current structure. Seeing as how we can title marches whatever we want now. As long as information on said alter ego can be found through the same links, I think it's fine to nit make two separate profiles.
As for wether or not we should include alternate versions such as World War Hulk or Kingdomcome Superman, I think no. Simple because now we can just use the Superman profile, title the match "Kingdom Come Superman vs whoever" and if people need any extra information on the character it can easily be provided.
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Post by omfg on Nov 17, 2014 13:27:15 GMT
Like Tom said. If you need to use a specific version, just specify. The wiki on just "Hulk" mentions almost all his versions from "WWH" to "Gray Hulk"
Just write your match as: "New 52 Superman vs Exermis Hulk", or something related.
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Post by omfg on Nov 19, 2014 14:32:42 GMT
Well, as a response to the recent message, I think that, no, we should not add fan-fic characters. However, there is an easy step around this little problem. Say you want to have a match between... UWT Dante (King of Persia, ect..) vs Regular Virgil, you can just state that your Dante is the UWT version. When I wanted to do a match up between my Lancelot character from UWT vs a couple of Ninja, I specifically stated what the difference was between my character and the regular character was, stating his armor, weapons, and magic skills.
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Post by DSkillz on Nov 19, 2014 21:53:42 GMT
As for wether or not we should include alternate versions such as World War Hulk or Kingdomcome Superman, I think no. Simple because now we can just use the Superman profile, title the match "Kingdom Come Superman vs whoever" and if people need any extra information on the character it can easily be provided. Not to necessarily argue with this, but let's keep in mind the differences between alternate personalities of a character and differing versions of said character. A certain character within one universe can have multiple personalities, each one pretty different from the next. At the same time, though, there can also be several different versions of a character, each in different universes, that can not only have substantially different traits, but also different storylines and circumstances among them. Just something else to consider here.
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Post by bigballerju on Nov 19, 2014 22:14:58 GMT
I don't know why Professional Wrestlers were ever banned. There gimmecks on tv are fictional and just like any other tv shows. If people want to keep that rule that's fine but Hulk Hogan can't be the only one allowed. We just need to have limits on it like any other catergory. The Rock, Stone Cold, John Cena, Undertaker, and others are all on his level pop culture wise and some like Rock have surpassed Hogan. I do think we should keep the rule real people should be of pop culture significiance and not put everyone thats has a little bit of fame in.
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Post by Z451 on Nov 19, 2014 23:26:43 GMT
Personally, as it pertains to this issue, I've always operated under the assumption that it depends on how different one character is from another. For instance, Future Trunks from DBZ may share the same parents, name, etc., as Present Trunks, in some regards, but one was raised in a post-apocalyptic future, and the other was not, one had parents who were in love, and the other did not, one could go SSJ as a kid, and the other required more training, so to sum it up essentially, they are two different characters, the only traits they share are those which are general, i.e. they're both named Trunks, and their parents are Bulma and Vegeta. I suppose what I'm saying is that in some cases, when there is significant reason to have it, some characters bearing similar traits should be allowed, but in others, especially if, they are a one-shot where nothing really changes, a transitional state of being, etc., I wouldn't really see the point. At least that's the interpretation that I've had on this issue. This interpretation has come mainly from discussions in the CBUB forums, in the topic, CBUB Cleanup, as per Buzzline's post, "Yeah, "Movie Verse" Power rangers are still the Zordon era so that argument is invalid. They have the same exact powers, and the same exact members. The only difference is the circumstances that tv verse and movie verse get their members and powers. I'm not talking about all the teams of future seasons like "Ninja Storm" Power Rangers, I'm talking about the "Mighty Morphin" having two entries and they should only have one. The thing about the Buus. They exist at the same time, and interact with each other. True, they are capable of merging together to become one being, but so are M and Hollow, several Transformers, a few Digimon and the symbiotes. The fact is they are different individuals coexisting along side each other, so it would make sense if someone wanted to do Uub and Fat Buu vs Green Lantern(Hal Jordan) and Mogo The Green Lantern Planet. The Buu's don't even have the same techniques, Kid Buu is the only one who has the Vanishing Ball for example but he likes the "Turn Into" beam Fat Buu has. But then Kid Goku, Kid Gohan, Mystic Gohan those are not separate characters. Those are the same guys. Any difference between the "versions" can be described as character development and the differences aren't that major. Goku gets smarter as he learns about the larger world and gets better at fighting. Gohan becomes less cowardly, goes to school and gets better at fighting... That said I do have a way we can keep Kid Goku. You could change him to Goku (Dr. Slump Remake). That, I guess, could pass as an "Alternate Universe Version." Mirai Gohan can maybe stay. He's another "alternate Timeline" case(though he doesn't meet himself like Trunks), Kid Gohan should go. Mystic Gohan should just be renamed to Gohan and have pictures of how he aged over the series. I'm only interested in clearing out the duplicates right now. I think we should focus mostly on those first and worry about characters like "Punk On The Bus" later. True, if your character doesn't even have a name you should have a really good excuse for adding him but at least there is only one "Punk on the bus" in the database. " Link> www.electricferret.com/forum/index.php/topic/19839-cbub-cleanup/page-4?hl=%2Bmirai+%2Bgohan#entry258828
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Post by Nesh on Nov 19, 2014 23:50:56 GMT
Well the thing about the Mystic Gohan entry in particular is that it's Gohan and a very spefic point. It's Gohan after the Elder Kai unlocks his potiential. Gohan isn't Mystic at any other point, so that profile isn't a catch-all. If it were to just be named Gohan that'd be different.
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Post by Bergy on Nov 20, 2014 0:47:56 GMT
Just clarify what version of a character you're using in your post, there's no reason to have a thousand different versions of a character like superman in the database. If you're using golden age, say golden age. If you're using post crisis, say post crisis. Same goes for Gohan, Trunks, Spiderman, Batman, Rick Grimes, or whoever else.
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Post by bigballerju on Nov 20, 2014 2:13:56 GMT
Yeah seriously we need for that to just do the old CBUB rule of stating what version your using. Its a waste of time and effort for people to put multiple version of characters in the data when it takes someone literally seconds to just post at the end what version of the characters is being used.
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Post by SSJRuss on Nov 20, 2014 22:59:22 GMT
What about Spider-Man(Otto Octavius)? Would he be different enough to warrant a separate profile?
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Post by g4hardcore on Nov 21, 2014 1:29:10 GMT
I'm wondering about the Ultimate Marvel-verse and classic 616. To give an example, the Ultimate Silver Surfer is absolutely nothing like his 616 counterpart in terms of story and skills. The same extends to Galactus. But the FF are pretty similar. What to do there?
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