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Post by DSkillz on Nov 12, 2014 22:29:29 GMT
The theme of this thread is: What types of characters should and should not be added to the Database?This is essentially a continuation of and contribution to how the Database should be structured, since after all, a major step in structuring any database is knowing what you do and do not want to be part of it. There is where you, the MagneticFox community, can add some useful suggestions. For starters, here are guidelines for CBUB's character database: Here's the main set from Serge himself: And here is some added input on CBUB's database from RakaiThwei, a former Character Admin from CBUB: I also seem to remember that fan-made versions of characters weren't allowed on CBUB. This all begets the crux of the thread. Should we follow these same guidelines from CBUB be completely followed for MagneticFox's Database, or should we make some changes? Please feel free to comment. |
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Post by Bergy on Nov 12, 2014 22:42:36 GMT
If we want to keep this to purely fictional characters, then that's cool. I think most people here are less interested in real people than fictional characters. That said, I don't see any reason to unilaterally exclude real people. If someone wants to write a battle between a football team and a bunch of zombies, or Muhammad Ali vs. Rocky, why not let them?
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Post by Nesh on Nov 12, 2014 22:56:30 GMT
The rules as they stand,are pretty solid I think. I personally would like to lift the ban on fan-made characters... but I don't see it happening. For one there's the obvious problem of providing enough legitimate links for them. Plus we can't just let any fanmade character in, be they a version of a pre-existing character or say an original character used in a RP, so we'd have to invoke a system of significance like in the Pop Culture section. Likely one of "is this fanmade character significance to our community?" So yeah like I said I'd like for it to happen but it's not feasible.
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Post by omfg on Nov 12, 2014 23:19:48 GMT
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Post by omfg on Nov 12, 2014 23:25:09 GMT
Well I wrote a long ass post, hit backspace trying to delete a word and accidentally went back to the previous page. Darn it. Anyways, an extremely short version (My post was a couple of paragraphs). Fictional Characters should be allowed depending on their Pop-Culture levels, and their Fighting Experience. For example, Ben Parker might be really popular, but he would be no good in a fight, so he wouldn't be accepted. Real People should be allowed depending on their Pop-Culture levels, and their Controversy Levels. For example, Julius Caesar is very popular, and he's viewed well in the public eye, he would be accepted. Someone like Hitler though, would not be accepted. Group Characters should be allowed depending on their Relevance. Like Rakai said, generic groups like Ninjas, or Pirates would not be allowed. However, groups like Foot-Clan Ninjas, and Captain Hook's Pirates would be accepted. Automatic NOs Real Criminals (Stalin, Hitler, ect..) Religious Characters (God, Allah, Jesus, ect..) Made Up Characters (No people from Reach) Animals (Dogs, cats, ect..) Inanimate Objects (The Pyramids, New York, Earth) The rules as they stand,are pretty solid I think. I personally would like to lift the ban on fan-made characters... but I don't see it happening. For one there's the obvious problem of providing enough legitimate links for them. Plus we can't just let any fanmade character in, be they a version of a pre-existing character or say an original character used in a RP, so we'd have to invoke a system of significance like in the Pop Culture section. Likely one of "is this fanmade character significance to our community?" So yeah like I said I'd like for it to happen but it's not feasible. We could have a board for Original Character rumbles/official mat- oh wait that sounds like FPL. (<-- I sound like a total dick, no offense Nesh.) Can we mix the FPL with the CBUB database? We could though, have a separate board, away from the FPL, or INC, as it's called now, and the Normal Database, where we could fight Original Characters from all of our RPs, and have their own separate litte data-base. |
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Post by Nesh on Nov 12, 2014 23:33:32 GMT
The rules as they stand,are pretty solid I think. I personally would like to lift the ban on fan-made characters... but I don't see it happening. For one there's the obvious problem of providing enough legitimate links for them. Plus we can't just let any fanmade character in, be they a version of a pre-existing character or say an original character used in a RP, so we'd have to invoke a system of significance like in the Pop Culture section. Likely one of "is this fanmade character significance to our community?" So yeah like I said I'd like for it to happen but it's not feasible. We could have a board for Original Character rumbles/official mat- oh wait that sounds like FPL. (<-- I sound like a total dick, no offense Nesh.) Can we mix the FPL with the CBUB database? We could though, have a separate board, away from the FPL, or INC, as it's called now, and the Normal Database, where we could fight Original Characters from all of our RPs, and have their own separate litte data-base. The FPL is a different beast entirely. The kind of characters that I was talking about adding to CBUB have ties to established, published fictional universes. The FPL vets don't want that anywhere near their stuff and that's their perogitive. Which brings us back to my previous point of the issues of adding them to CBUB. |
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Post by omfg on Nov 12, 2014 23:40:56 GMT
Would you be talking about things like Star-Wars Extended Universe characters? Characters that don't count as canon?
Characters from your fictional writings that are posted in the Original Fiction boards?
Characters that we're using in Role Plays like the Hoenn one?
Elaborate a little further, I think that if they do have an 'establish, published, fictional universes', then they SHOULD be allowed.
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Post by Nesh on Nov 13, 2014 0:23:50 GMT
Would you be talking about things like Star-Wars Extended Universe characters? Characters that don't count as canon? Characters from your fictional writings that are posted in the Original Fiction boards? Characters that we're using in Role Plays like the Hoenn one? Elaborate a little further, I think that if they do have an 'establish, published, fictional universes', then they SHOULD be allowed. I'm talking about things like the UWT versions of characters. Like how Dante became King of Persia, Vin was a Jedi or the more original characters that spawned from that like Katrina. |
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Post by SSJRuss on Nov 13, 2014 2:43:41 GMT
All in all, I think the system in place now works fine. Even though I love UWT versions of characters, and seeing as I change characters up from what they are all the time (like my Rings story) and would love to use them, ain't nobody got time for that. We should stick with the fictional and established. Wrestlers and historic figures should be fine as long as you can justify them having some fictional content, like comics or whatever.
I'd only like to see more general stuff. Like just have 'Demons' or 'Fictional/Mythological Creatures'. I tend to use things like that lol
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 7:53:23 GMT
Someone on this thread mentioned that Ninjas and Pirates, as a group, aren't allowed, yet if I remember rightly, both of those groups are already in the database. I think it is easier than adding every single pirate or ninja clan ever in fiction. The writer of the matches can decide as to whether the Pirates they use in their match are the ones from Treasure Island or the ones from Pirates of the Caribbean.
I stand by my point from another thread. If the creator deems something to be fictional, or a fictionalised version of a real thing, then they could be added to the database. For example, originally, the Star Wars concept art characters weren't deemed to be proper characters by George Lucas and the team since at the time, they were just ideas, and they went for completely different ideas for the final film. However, they recently made an entire comic book series based on the original concept called 'The Star Wars', so now, they are considered to be fictional. I don't know, really, I mean, could these rules work? I just want someone to add the group from the web fan comic, Roommates, some day.
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Post by xLEGACYx on Nov 13, 2014 17:14:53 GMT
The system in place now works fine I believe. Although someone earlier said something about not adding people of no real relevance such as Ben Parker, Aunt Mae, Betty Boop, Jimmy Olsen, etc. (Some characters just really have no real use as far as creating matches go.) Someone like Alfred or April Oneal would make sense because they have skills that could pertain to some sort of relevance here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 18:28:13 GMT
The system in place now works fine I believe. Although someone earlier said something about not adding people of no real relevance such as Ben Parker, Aunt Mae, Betty Boop, Jimmy Olsen, etc. (Some characters just really have no real use as far as creating matches go.) Someone like Alfred or April Oneal would make sense because they have skills that could pertain to some sort of relevance here. Yeah, but Aunt May was in that awesome match where she had to bake cookies in order to calm World War Hulk down, and that was awesome. Hey, if Aunt May can be in an awesome match, then anyone can. Plus, Jimmy Olsen is a pretty relevant character, what with all his one-time superpowers he has had over the years. |
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Post by omfg on Nov 13, 2014 22:23:08 GMT
Yeah, PPP, they may be awesome in certain match-ups, but that wouldn't justify them being in the actual data-base.
You can have a cook-off with between Aunt May and Aunt Jemima for all it's worth, that wouldn't be enough to actually add them to the base. We do comic battles here, and Aunt May has no battle experience, so I wouldn't allow her.
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Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 14, 2014 8:33:31 GMT
Yeah, PPP, they may be awesome in certain match-ups, but that wouldn't justify them being in the actual data-base. You can have a cook-off with between Aunt May and Aunt Jemima for all it's worth, that wouldn't be enough to actually add them to the base. We do comic battles here, and Aunt May has no battle experience, so I wouldn't allow her. I disagree completely. On the old site we weren't limited to fights. We had characters in rap battles, cook offs, debates, chess matches, freaking beauty pageants. Beside, maybe someone wants to put Aunt May vs Jimmy Olson in a battle to the death. Saying they shouldn't be allowed because they're not characters who are typically in fights only serves to limit the kinds of matches we can match as official matches. And while there isn't much seperating the official matches and rumbles aside from weather we do or don't have profiles, I like to think it means something in spirit. We need to stay away from characters who are unimportant or irrelevant, yes. Most memes can be phased out. We should keep the "no real people" as a general guideline. But I don't think "this character isn't a fighter" should mean that they have no place here. Even an argument that they'd clutter the database because they wouldn't get used as much doesn't hold water, as many obscure characters won't get used weather they're as frail as Aunt May or powerful enough to wipe the floor with Superman. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 22:41:51 GMT
Yeah, PPP, they may be awesome in certain match-ups, but that wouldn't justify them being in the actual data-base. You can have a cook-off with between Aunt May and Aunt Jemima for all it's worth, that wouldn't be enough to actually add them to the base. We do comic battles here, and Aunt May has no battle experience, so I wouldn't allow her. I disagree completely. On the old site we weren't limited to fights. We had characters in rap battles, cook offs, debates, chess matches, freaking beauty pageants. Beside, maybe someone wants to put Aunt May vs Jimmy Olson in a battle to the death. Saying they shouldn't be allowed because they're not characters who are typically in fights only serves to limit the kinds of matches we can match as official matches. And while there isn't much seperating the official matches and rumbles aside from weather we do or don't have profiles, I like to think it means something in spirit. We need to stay away from characters who are unimportant or irrelevant, yes. Most memes can be phased out. We should keep the "no real people" as a general guideline. But I don't think "this character isn't a fighter" should mean that they have no place here. Even an argument that they'd clutter the database because they wouldn't get used as much doesn't hold water, as many obscure characters won't get used weather they're as frail as Aunt May or powerful enough to wipe the floor with Superman. Well said, dude. Limiting the site's database so that only fighters can be on there destroys everything the old CBUB stood for, really. Not every match has to be super serious. Who says Aunt May can't have a match against Superman? As long as it's well written, no one really cares. The real competitive side of CBUB is reserved for the rumbles. People who are passionate and good at writing make the best matches, even if the fight is incredibly unfair? And even if you subscribe to the logic that certain characters are highly unlikely to make effective fighters, I simply direct you to Super Smash Bros. Did anyone think the Duck Hunt Dog, the Animal Crossing Boy, or freaking ROB would ever make good fighters? What I am saying is, any character could become a fighter one day, I guess. One thing that did really annoy me about the old CBUB though, was when people added whole universes as single characters, even when it doesn't describe a single universe (for example, when someone added the Nintendo Universe on the old CBUB, when none of Nintendo's characters actually share a universe). Those kinds of 'character' entries are the only part of CBUB that I really disagreed with, especially when they were used in rumbles, since it is impossible to determine a clear winner. |
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