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Post by silversurfer092 on Dec 20, 2015 19:05:17 GMT
I don't know how to create those spoiler things but who cares. Don't read further into this if you don't want spoilers.
I think Kylo lost to Rey because he isn't trained that well at all. He's very poorly trained. Which is why he's so prone to anger outbursts and whatnot. Also, Rey is totally a Skywalker, not a Solo.
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Post by SSJRuss on Dec 20, 2015 19:22:43 GMT
I honestly think it could go either way with Rey. She could be Luke's daughter but I don't think she'd be both his daughter and apprentice. Plus it doesn't make sense why Luke would abandon her. I don't see Leia having a reason to abandon her either. Maybe she's Snoke's daughter? That would be interesting.
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Post by silversurfer092 on Dec 20, 2015 20:26:49 GMT
Snoke is pretty alien, I think. There are a bunch of theories as to how Rey can be a Skywalker and they make sense. She's a Skywalker. Yep.
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Post by SSJRuss on Dec 21, 2015 5:05:21 GMT
As Ruinus said in the other thread, I also hated the R2 reveal. It was pretty dumb and sort of a cop-out.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 19:42:53 GMT
Finn is probably one of my new favourite characters. The writing for all of the characters is better than anything the previous films (and I do mean all of them) had to offer. The whole film is a blast, but some things didn't quite work out right. I mean, Snoke and the First Order basically have an even better Death Star built into a planet, yet it didn't seem that much more difficult for the Rebelli- *ahem*, 'Resistance' to blow it to smithereens compared to the space station. I don't really get why they felt the need to change the name, since they really haven't changed in anyway, but oh well.
I can't be the only one that thought Snoke was actually that massive. While he's almost certainly not going to turn out to be as big in the flesh as the hologram was, he should still be a really huge guy and generally be a more imposing threat for the heroes to face than, say, Palpatine.
I find it quite funny how Kylo Ren really, really thinks that he's all that, but isn't. They play up the fact that he's really just an unskilled, tantrum-throwing kid who thinks he's great because he has a cool lightsaber and a mask like granddaddy dearest well. The Stormtroopers' reactions to his little lightsaber tantrum was priceless. "Ain't nobody got time fo' dat." It was also quite cool to see a flipped side of the coin by seeing a dark sider fearful of being seduced by the light instead of vice versa.
I agree with Russ on his point about R2-D2. Not only should both he and C-3PO have had bigger roles, but it was such a cop out for R2-D2 to ever so conveniently come back to life and give Leia and co all of the info they need just when they need it. But at least the next films aren't just going to have 'gotta catch 'em all' plots applied to pieces of the map.
Also, it was a bit obvious that Phasma is meant to be an emulation of Boba Fett for this new trilogy. A tall, masked gunslinger working with the bad guys who doesn't get much to say or do but will probably sell loads of action figures.
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Post by silversurfer092 on Dec 22, 2015 20:33:54 GMT
To be fair, no one knew how huge Boba Fett was gonna be. Phasma better get bigger screen time in the next movie.
They can't rightly call themselves the Rebellion because they aren't rebelling. They're resisting the onslaught of the First Order. If anything, the First Order is the Rebellion now. Either way, a 3rd Death Star? Really? C'mon.
That's why I love Kylo Ren so much. I love him as the badass villain who is like "Oh hey, I'm powerful as shit" and I'm half gay for Adam Driver, and while his moments of "omg I'm gonna throw a hissy fit with my lightsaber" are like "oh grow up dude" for me, they are a vital part of his character. It's amazing how well written these characters are. Everything goes into them. Like when Finn asks Han why he keeps doing that with his chin. He's been a Stormtrooper his whole life, he doesn't know actual social norms and such. It's awesome.
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Post by bigballerju on Dec 22, 2015 20:58:58 GMT
Finn- As a fan of the Clone and Storm Troopers I love his origin. He is one of the best new characters they have created. I also love in the fight scenes you get to see how skilled he is as a Storm Trooper in combat. It shows you that the Storm Troopers were good. He is perfect to take Han's place in the trilogy. Finn and Po will be a damn good team in the next two films.
Rey- She is definitely a Skywalker. Her natural skill with tech, flying the Falcon (showing her pilot skills like her father), strong connection to the force, and more is all Skywalker not Solo. She is definitely Luke's daughter and honestly when that scene underground beneath the bar where she was being told about knowing her missing family is not coming back. I got the feeling her mother was killed somewhere along the line after Kylo went to the dark side and Luke ( who she doesn't know is her dad) left her with Han & Leia who took Rey to safety far away from everything feeling guilty about Kylo. Luke did not want Kylo to know where Rey was afraid he would want to turn her to the dark side probably when she got older and wanted to protect her. Also Leia and Han separated because of Kylo's death. It could be she is a Solo but I don't like that.
Kylo- I love the fact we are pretty much seeing a Sith in training. It was clear his rage and emotional unbalance was affecting his power. That's not good for a Sith since keeps it will keep you from truly being powerful in the dark side of the force if you do not destroy anything that would bring you back to the light. His temper tantrums were classic and showed you how dangerous he is truly going to be down the line. His character story blowed away how Lucas handled a young Anakin. He lost to Rey because like Snoke said he did complete his training and he had just killed his father. Kylo will have to follow the same path as Darth Vader to truly be a Sith Lord.
Snoke- He is such a mystery. It would be awesome if he really were Darth Plagueis. He sort of looks like him a bit if you looked at his face. If not I can't wait to find out how he knows about the Dark Side and all of that.
This film below away the Prequels. My god the excellent story telling and character development.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 21:01:04 GMT
To be fair, no one knew how huge Boba Fett was gonna be. Phasma better get bigger screen time in the next movie. They can't rightly call themselves the Rebellion because they aren't rebelling. They're resisting the onslaught of the First Order. If anything, the First Order is the Rebellion now. Either way, a 3rd Death Star? Really? C'mon. That's why I love Kylo Ren so much. I love him as the badass villain who is like "Oh hey, I'm powerful as shit" and I'm half gay for Adam Driver, and while his moments of "omg I'm gonna throw a hissy fit with my lightsaber" are like "oh grow up dude" for me, they are a vital part of his character. It's amazing how well written these characters are. Everything goes into them. Like when Finn asks Han why he keeps doing that with his chin. He's been a Stormtrooper his whole life, he doesn't know actual social norms and such. It's awesome. Abrams has apparently confirmed that Phasma will get a much larger role for the next numbered one, which is great. How she escaped the Starkiller (nice reference, Disney) before it blew up might be explained. I know that my description of her sounded quite negative, but I didn't mean for it to. Both Phasma and Fett are awesome. I understand that, but I think 'Resistance' sounds a bit too... Sci-fi-FPS-y. That's just my little nitpickky opinion though. You'd think that the Rebel Alliance would just be too iconic a name for them to drop. You basically summed up the some of the best bits in that last paragraph. I too found some of Finn's lines to be clever, and I found a lot of what he had to say funny. Kylo Ren tries hard to be Vader, but despite being physically imposing, he lacks the silent intimidation factor Anakin had (which of course doesn't make him uncool in any way). This all makes sense, since Ren never knew Vader personally, and therefore thinks that just having a cool mask is enough to be a worthy successor. Instead of being more inclined to choke people to death with the force, Ben is more inclined to just unsheath his lightsaber and just blow shit up with it. He can't contain his anger like Vader can, and that's one of the key differences that make him distinct. |
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Post by corvette1710 on Dec 22, 2015 23:06:25 GMT
I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying, especially about the First Order being the "Rebels" instead of the Resistance (i.e. the government that took hold after RotJ).
However, I think for reasons concerning parallelism and future plot points, Rey and Kylo Ren are siblings, not cousins (making Rey a Solo instead of a Skywalker, or possibly Ren a Skywalker instead of a Solo, though Han and Leia seemed PRETTY sure that he was their son).
My problem with Rey being a Skywalker stems from a lack of any introduction concerning Rey's mother. Maybe she was in the flashback or her death was in the flashback, but I can't find any videos of it and I don't remember anyone who might be her being in it. That leaves the prominent major female character slot to Leia.
If Rey's mother isn't Leia, then she'll have to be introduced in later Episodes.
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Post by bigballerju on Dec 22, 2015 23:43:45 GMT
They purposely did not tell us all of Rey's past or anything to keep it a mystery until the second sequel. Hell we did not have time to tell Rey's origin and its better they save it for down the line then cram everything into one film. Rey will learn about her and Kylo's past. Kylo killing Han will force Luke out out of exile to train Rey and make sure this time a apprentice gets the proper training they need. I have a feeling with the rumors of Hayden appearing in the sequels maybe Anakin Skywalker will appear as a force ghost and give her insight on how to avoid the dark side of the force which would be great. If he appears it makes no sense for him to appear as Darth Vader since he turned back to the light side of the force. The only downside is Hayden's acting. Kylo is stated and confirmed to be there son. No "ifs" and "buts" about that. Rey's mother does not need to be introduced. She could have died already by whatever means and that's it.
The prominent major characters are Rey whether female or male along with Kylo.
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Post by forceecho on Dec 23, 2015 23:39:40 GMT
This movie was such a shameless copy of Episode IV it's ridiculous. The plot is literally a carbon copy except for the character of Finn. Ah well, I guess that's what people wanted anyway.
There was also a few parts I didn't get. How did the Empire manage to build a bigger superweapon INTO A PLANET and still have it be EASIER to destroy than the second Death Star?! The shields were dropped by 2 people! TWO!!! How is it that one fucking person could drop the shields over the whole damn planet without any further authorization? No check from the General? That Ren guy? What about Palpatine Replacement? He doesn't get input on whether to drop the shields on his huge ass planet sized superweapon? How is it that the entire planet is destroyed by like 5 X Wings and HANDHELD EXPLOSIVES?! HAND-FUCKING-HELD GRENADES. WHO DESIGNS THEIR SUPERWEAPONS?! WHY HAVEN'T THEY FIRED THAT GUY YET?!
Also, does the Force just give you whatever skill you want now? Close your eyes for like a second and become a crazy ass pilot! Close your eyes for like 3 seconds and beat the shit out of a more experience and skilled force user than you in a poorly choreographed lightsaber battle! Close your eyes for a second and become an expert marksman! Etc.
Also, that Ren guy was horribly cast. When he took off his helmet I almost laughed. Guy looks like he belongs in a romantic comedy, not as a Darth Vader stand-in.
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Post by SSJRuss on Dec 24, 2015 1:20:08 GMT
This movie was such a shameless copy of Episode IV it's ridiculous. The plot is literally a carbon copy except for the character of Finn. Ah well, I guess that's what people wanted anyway. There was also a few parts I didn't get. How did the Empire manage to build a bigger superweapon INTO A PLANET and still have it be EASIER to destroy than the second Death Star?! The shields were dropped by 2 people! TWO!!! How is it that one fucking person could drop the shields over the whole damn planet without any further authorization? No check from the General? That Ren guy? What about Palpatine Replacement? He doesn't get input on whether to drop the shields on his huge ass planet sized superweapon? How is it that the entire planet is destroyed by like 5 X Wings and HANDHELD EXPLOSIVES?! HAND-FUCKING-HELD GRENADES. WHO DESIGNS THEIR SUPERWEAPONS?! WHY HAVEN'T THEY FIRED THAT GUY YET?! Also, does the Force just give you whatever skill you want now? Close your eyes for like a second and become a crazy ass pilot! Close your eyes for like 3 seconds and beat the shit out of a more experience and skilled force user than you in a poorly choreographed lightsaber battle! Close your eyes for a second and become an expert marksman! Etc. Also, that Ren guy was horribly cast. When he took off his helmet I almost laughed. Guy looks like he belongs in a romantic comedy, not as a Darth Vader stand-in. I'll have to agree with ya. The first half was pretty strong but the more the movie went on, the more it turned in just another Episode IV plot. I'm still confused on why they decided to build a second Death Star, much less make a third one. It was ridiculous. Though, I will give them props on at least making it apart of a planet instead of just building one from scratch. Kind of cool. But I don't understand how the hell they expected to move the planet through hyperspace to chase the Resistance. Did the planet itself have a Hyperdrive? Could the beam just travel millions of lightyears across space? How do you build something like that anyway? |
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Post by bigballerju on Dec 24, 2015 1:44:40 GMT
Good ole Force Echo. You make valid points and there are quite a few people who don't like the film for some of those same reasons and more. However everyone after the prequels were saying they wanted an Episode 7 if they ever made one to be more like the originals. Hell people were whining and complaining that's one of the many other reasons why they hated the prequels.
I partially disagree on what you said about the force. If your force sensitive or a force user it be used in many ways. That's why there is so many different force abilities. This has been established since New Hope where Luke used the force when taking out the Death Star, in Empire Strikes Back to contact Leia, and more. Keep in mind we don't know exactly how much training Ren got from Luke and Snoke. In addition we still don't know Rey's backstory either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 7:39:25 GMT
There's also some rather unusual coincidences littered throughout the plot. Even though the Starkiller is literally the size of the planet because, well, it is one, Finn and Han just happen to come across Rey trying to escape. To be honest, I was expecting a grander sense of scale with the Starkiller.
Still liked the movie though.
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Post by corvette1710 on Dec 24, 2015 8:57:08 GMT
To be fair, if they're dead set on building a weapon that can destroy planet(s) (as in obliterate them, not just end all life on that planet), there's bound to be some exhaust port, vent, or overall cooling mechanism like the thermal exhaust shaft or the thermal oscillator to disperse the excess heat generated by the bigass lasers it's firing.
I do agree that because these heat dispersion methods require the base to be so vulnerable, they have to protect them better, though. Either armor that shit up so that blowing it up won't kill the entire operation or set some more guards on them.
Also, I'm still not sure if Kylo Ren got a bad case of Skywalker Syndrome from Rey. The shots weren't great, but I don't remember scoffing at the choreography.
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