Politics...eh.

I just want to find someone more extreme than me.

Anyone hear about Switzerland's new "Star Trek" Economic Plan?

Also, I've heard talk that a Tory is going to put forth the same kind of thing in Canada YAY

Well, let's just wait and see how it works out for everyone.

In the end I'm confident in this "Star Trek" Economics plan, studies on smaller projects of a similar nature have proven that it works (at least on those small scales) and should be ready for a broader implementation.

It's great that you want to work for your money, but what about the people who can't work, or cannot find jobs? Not only that, but what about the people who make too little to be able to afford Anything except for basic survival?

That's one of the reasons the Murican gov's been shut down all of October. Obama wants to give these poor people at least a bare minimum of Insurance. Republicans, don't, because they cannot afford insurance, they're poor, so that means they didn't work hard enough for money to be able to afford insurance.

Ack, no edit function.

Anyways, the last sentence there is in respect to what Obama wants for his Care - it's essentially taking out of the pocket of those who're already working hard and have jobs.

To put it in perspective, an example: If this goes through, payments my parents pay for their healthcare insurance, ~200+ a month initially becomes ~700+. They've voiced concerns they may have to eliminate it down the line. So Obama looks to be doing something nice for the little people on paper. It's screwing people who already have something into paying more for someone else other than themselves. That, in my opinion, shouldn't be how it works.

1) I couldn't agree with you more on the state of the US War Economy. The UN should be given more power from member nations to handle the "Pandering to Every Nations Needs" sort of thing, the US is it's own country, not the World Police Force. They and the world see themselves in that position because they are one of the Only Super Powers left in the world. Even then, they have problems, but because of this WPF mentality that they have both assumed, and been assumed to be, all the money they have that could go towards fixing their own problems goes into fixing Other peoples problems.

2) I do agree that the nearly $3k/mo might be excessive, however, the "Mincome" (Short for Minimum Income) plan presented on the CBC would be ideal. The plan basically stated, that as long as you filed your taxes, you would be guaranteed a minimum income based on your yearly income. People who make At or Under the poverty line would receive enough money to basically top them up, so that they no longer have to choose between Eating or Shelter or Electricity. There was a study done in the 80's iirc that practiced this in a small town for a few years, the results were shelved until recently due to lack of interest, but were shown that it was better then a Major Success. The burden to various other institutions, such as health care, and mental health agencies was drastically reduced, and it also showed an Extreme drop in the drop out rates of Highschoolers.

3) Those who do have jobs though, who are working hard to support and maintain themselves though, might have shitty low paying jobs. They might still have to worry about getting sick or hurt, which would financially Destroy them. And Health Studies have shown that if you Worry too much, it negatively impacts your health. The simple fact that they have to Work Hard to maintain a simple standard of living, and if not up to the rate needed to qualify for health care/insurance could significantly degrade their health to the point where they are Forced to either quit, get fired for burnout, or take leave to recover... if their Illness isn't covered as well, then without some minimum income, they're up shit creek without a paddle.

Nope, no Edit for Unregistered people. Ether register, or log in.

And that in my opinion is a very negative and backwards view on the subject. What you are saying is this "They're poor, we're not. Why do we have to pay to feed and cloth them?" The reason is obviously because they can't do it for themselves for some reason. Yes, they're a burden on the system because they're poor, but they're only poor because they have no option But to be poor. Nobody chooses to be poor, it's an Affliction, a Disease if you will. What healthcare and programs like Mincome or so called Star Trek economies are essentially is a Government Mandated Donation to help try and Cure this Affliction.

Yes, some people might take advantage of the system and just mooch, but I Guarantee that Many Many More will not. As well, systems could be put in place to oversee that Moochers Don't get to Mooch, or have to put so much effort into mooching, that it would be just easier to Mooch in the first place...


Heh, 1) Ser Spamalot could just reg or log in and edit...

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2) indeed, I understand that Switzerland probably does have a much higher col, and that they are a fairly small nation, not having to cover as many people... and that well, with all that Nazi gold in their banks, and their very Corporation Friendly atmosphere, they're also one of the Richest nations... If it works anywhere I'd say it'll work in Switzerland first, they can iron out the kinks in the system and pave the way for other nations to follow suit.

3) and yeah, I covered the mincome thing previously, and I think even the conservatives who are propositioning this would think that too much. Which is why it's just a top up for those under the poverty line.

Meh, I'm afraid Mayor Tacos is going to get reelected..., any advise guys?