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Nov 12, 2014 2:23:56 GMT
Post by SSJRuss on Nov 12, 2014 2:23:56 GMT
Yea, I was really anxious to see if he would. I was sitting there like 'Shendu's gonna kill me, Shendu's gonna kill me, Shendu's gonna kill me' xD
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Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 12, 2014 2:29:15 GMT
It was my first thought. But I decided that Shendu is too arrogant to consider that he could be double crossed.
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Nov 12, 2014 4:07:18 GMT
Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 12, 2014 4:07:18 GMT
Alright, I edited my post to account for Blue Flame's move, since we posted at almost the same time originally.
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Nov 12, 2014 4:31:04 GMT
Post by g4hardcore on Nov 12, 2014 4:31:04 GMT
Nice post, I nearly forgot about those shadowy ninjas! I loved that show, though it's different having Saturday morning cartoons attack you this time around.
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Nov 12, 2014 4:41:37 GMT
Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 12, 2014 4:41:37 GMT
Yeah, I've had them up my sleeve for a while now. I figure now that Shendu is the only one left in this fight it was time to even the odds.
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Nov 14, 2014 9:31:28 GMT
Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 14, 2014 9:31:28 GMT
I checked and double checked to make sure Shendu was really immune to all non magical attacks and it seemed to be the case, as the "magic must defeat magic" rule had been repeated throughout the series and Shendu was immune to rocket launchers, so it stands to reason that any kind of technological weapon wouldn't affect him. I was iffy on the swords, but I reasoned that without magic, they're just weapons that are much less advanced.
However, if I am mistaken in that there is no magic involved in either attack then I will gladly make the appropriate edits.
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Nov 14, 2014 20:30:59 GMT
Post by g4hardcore on Nov 14, 2014 20:30:59 GMT
I'd be more iffy with the electricity than the swords to be honest. I can see that conventional weapons are ineffective in terms of damage dealt, but even if the electricity didn't deal any damage, I would assume it still has effects. I'm thinking about it pokemon style lol, it might not hurt but it might paralyze to some degree. The swords would do as much as a rocket lol, Shendu's got it like that. But then, an explosion doesn't have to kill a person to knock them off their feet. Or take Superman, he might not be hurt by electricity, but when his heart stopped, Black Lightning shocked him back to life. I hope my examples are translating well, personally I'm not completely convinced either way.
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Nov 14, 2014 21:29:15 GMT
Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 14, 2014 21:29:15 GMT
Yeah, no it makes sense. I think, just for the sake of fairness I'll go ahead and edit in some effect. Figure it doesn't hurt him, but does have a temporary paralyzing effect. Like I said, I'm not 100 percent sure how Shendu would react to all the situations as they're not ones that occurred in the series.
The phrasing I found was that was "Shendu is impervious to non-magical weapons. Even modern ones like high-powered laser cannons and rocket launchers." So my thought was that any effects from the attacks would basically be absorbed into his "magical aura", for lack of better phrasing.
To go back to a pokemon example, I took it as him having a sort of "ground type" immunity to the attack. But, again, as we don't know what exact effects this type of attack would have on him, I'll go ahead and assume there's an effect- even if it's non-damaging.
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Nov 14, 2014 23:21:03 GMT
Post by kevindwolf93 on Nov 14, 2014 23:21:03 GMT
Heh well now we know to work out things like this prior to the big fight  . To go at the pokemon metaphor, I think anything not magic based doing squat would be more like being immune to physical attacks in general rather than any particular type of attack. As the boss character you don't need to exactly be balanced, but if we need a flowchart to confirm what can and can't hurt him then that might make things marginally more difficult. With that said, whode left that has magical weapons? |
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Nov 14, 2014 23:30:19 GMT
Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 14, 2014 23:30:19 GMT
The way I'm going forward with it is, as long as there's an electrical current running through him, the electricity was have the paralyzing effect. But the second it's turned off, Shedu goes back to business as usual.
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Nov 15, 2014 5:20:10 GMT
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Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 15, 2014 5:20:10 GMT
I'm not sure how you can get the Shadowkhan in one swing. Two of them are standing off to the side of Nero, while one grabs his legs and the other one is lay on Hero's back.
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Nov 15, 2014 5:39:02 GMT
Post by SSJRuss on Nov 15, 2014 5:39:02 GMT
I'm not sure how you can get the Shadowkhan in one swing. Two of them are standing off to the side of Nero, while one grabs his legs and the other one is lay on Hero's back. Sorry, meant I was going for the ones on his legs and back. Forgot two on his sides. I'll edit. |
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Nov 15, 2014 16:00:23 GMT
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Post by g4hardcore on Nov 15, 2014 16:00:23 GMT
That's fair. Honestly, even a numbing effect would've been appropriate opposed to total immunity. I can see you and Kev's points pretty clearly though, so any logical conclusion you'd have come up with, I'd accept. As far as a magical aura goes, I've never seen evidence that directly supports that conclusion, even if it's a good theory.
Edit: After watching the final episode of season 1, I gathered that Shendu's inability to be killed stemmed from a combination of the horse and dog talismans. At one point, he was even hit by an electrical attack, and it hurt him, but it did no lasting damage. We have to assume immortality and healing had something to do with that; his immunity to the heat of the attack came from his natural immunity to heat, a point toward his own natural durability. Uncle claimed magic just defeat magic, not because the rocket launchers wouldn't affect him, but because the rockets would have done nothing to remove his talismans, which were the source of his abilities. Even with the horse and the dog, he still took enough damage that an explosion from the Dragon talisman put a hole in his stomach. It could be argued that it was a magic based explosion, but it shows that even with the horse immortality, he could be damaged on some level.
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Nov 15, 2014 19:35:53 GMT
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Post by tomnowinblue on Nov 15, 2014 19:35:53 GMT
To clarify my magical aura statement. I just meant it ad short hand for "Shendu is made of magic and the show beats us over the head with magic must defeat magic over and over so non magical attacks might just get rebuffed by his unique physiology". Aura just felt like an easier way to say all of that.
The points you raise make a lot of sense though. The only thing I would say, and this would require me to double check later seasons would be, "did they give us the magic must defeat magic" like against the other demons and or Daolong-Wang (I know I'm butchering that)?
Because if so, sure the other demons may have possessed similar healing and immortality abilities, but the dark shi wizard didn't. So if he got the "magic must defeat magic" line then that would be evidence to it being the nature of magic and not the powers of the talismans.
I am content with either, it's a non-issue really. I think that the swords may still have trouble piercing his hide and the electric gun would work as I described regardless of immortality. Although Shendu does have his weak points, which he sustained in the battle, which Makasa would then be able to exploit if her nonmagic swords can end up harming Shendu.
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Nov 15, 2014 21:22:23 GMT
Post by g4hardcore on Nov 15, 2014 21:22:23 GMT
Nah, Mikasa's swords are only effective in her universe because she fights giant humans, despite being larger and having thicker skin(that's just as easy to cut through with enough of a swing). They're made of exposed skin and flesh, nothing like Shendu's hardened scales and durable dragon physiology. I don't think the attack would do much, assuming it's effective at all. My only real point was that attacks can have effects, even if they don't deal damage. Essentially, we're on the exact same page.  I'm glad I checked the show to see Shendu fight, it led me to watching a few other episodes, heh. Queen of the Shadowkhan was another favorite. Insofar as magic defeating magic, it's the truth. These beings were all summoned through magic/utilize magic, so magic has to put them back/contest them. |
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