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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 14:20:37 GMT
Seeing how we've brought up how we should treat each other on this forum twice already, it's likely that the same sorts of conversations will pop up again. To save the mods the trouble, I've decided to make one myself. Egos have been hurt and thoughts have been provoked, but it's been done in the wrong places (which has been made clear numerous times). One thread has even been locked, and I think we all know that.
So yeah, speak your minds, compare philosophies, etc..
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Post by DamagingRob on Sept 4, 2015 17:36:01 GMT
When and where was this? Guessing it was in a section I don't frequent.. I'll start with old saying, I guess: treat others how you want to be treated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 18:52:44 GMT
When and where was this? Guessing it was in a section I don't frequent.. I'll start with old saying, I guess: treat others how you want to be treated. The thread for the latest tournament. |
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Post by DamagingRob on Sept 4, 2015 20:04:54 GMT
 That was.. something. I'llsticktopoppingtrophies. *Runs away* |
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Post by Indolent on Sept 5, 2015 2:28:03 GMT
Eh, even if one feels another should be treated like a imbecilic twat because of how they've presented themselves, in way of attitude or knowledge, they shouldn't be. Obviously.
I mean if they're effectively being an asshole, it's perfectly acceptable to call them on their bullshit. This is completely and totally possible to do without resorting to their level of conduct or condescension.
Rather a discussion, any discussion, should be pursued in a respectful fashion and if it comes to a point, merely ending on good terms or simply agreeing to disagree is more or less the favorable outcome. I won't even say anything more, especially in respect to the implications or any potential misgivings people might have behind this because at this point it's still purely a matter of conduct on this forum within reasonable limits.
That's frankly the basic gist of how I think it should be.
Treat another how you'd like to be treated is honestly flawed for the reason that its definition is widely variable to many individuals that I think it's probably just simpler to streamline the general idea into a set of simple guidelines that everyone should follow anyway. Not to the letter under threat of tha law, of course, but just for general respect and behavior. Who knows... It could foster camaraderie.
Naturally, not everyone's going to like the one and same idea. It's not a perfect, simplistic world like that after all. Shit, if it was, it'd be kinda boring. Nonetheless though, that's the beauty of a forum's rules dictating appropriate behavior however.
Tooooodles.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 20:12:21 GMT
I pretty much agree with everything you've put there, IHTMN.
Obviously, bits of harmless sarcastic wit will hopefully never be 'outlawed' here, but huge amounts of condescension used specifically to cruelly make people feel worthless and idiotic, I just don't approve of. The kind of stuff that unfortunately went down in the 'Movies' thread will hopefully never happen again. It was horrible. Some mistakes were made (including by me), sure, but, damn...
I like to think of this site as better than most, because a vast majority of the time, we do show decent manners and act respectfully towards others like how people act in, you know, reality. Conflicts and disagreements on things will of course happen, but like IHTMN said, it should be done respectively.
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Post by kainboa on Sept 11, 2015 16:51:51 GMT
My general philosophy is treating others the way I want to be treated.
If I/they post factually wrong information, then I/they get treated like an idiot.
The reason for this is because when posting, you're sitting on the internet.
If you have the time to post, you have the time to do the research to be sure your information is correct.
If it's a discussion about something that involves subjective topics, then there's no right or wrong.
Additionally, everybody as a baseline gets treated respectfully, however that respect can be 'used' by acting like an idiot, and gained by acting like a decent person.
Finally, I find it rather amusing that Ethan talks about being respectful and "nice" to others.
Considering that there has been several times in the past where he's been the one who's been acting like a "jerk" himself, especially on the mibbit chat.
I guess the old saying is true. "Having standards is good, but having double standards is twice as good."
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Post by Nova Prime X on Sept 11, 2015 17:51:42 GMT
My general philosophy is treating others the way I want to be treated. If I/they post factually wrong information, then I/they get treated like an idiot. The reason for this is because when posting, you're sitting on the internet. If you have the time to post, you have the time to do the research to be sure your information is correct. If it's a discussion about something that involves subjective topics, then there's no right or wrong. Additionally, everybody as a baseline gets treated respectfully, however that respect can be 'used' by acting like an idiot, and gained by acting like a decent person. Finally, I find it rather amusing that Ethan talks about being respectful and "nice" to others. Considering that there has been several times in the past where he's been the one who's been acting like a "jerk" himself, especially on the mibbit chat. I guess the old saying is true. "Having standards is good, but having double standards is twice as good." Or it could be, I guess, that most people aren't static unfeeling robots that never change. In the past...whoo boy. If I was speaking to myself from ten years ago, five years ago, three years ago, even a single year ago. There would be a lot of things I'd cringe at and even slap myself for.
But I guess when you're perfect as you clearly are, you don't really need to change, huh?
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Post by Indolent on Sept 11, 2015 17:52:35 GMT
Because it's unfeasible to consider that individuals can change over time and feel apologetic for such behavior. More so when they know better, habits are still hard to change.
I should point out that was the past, #UWT hadn't been used for quite frankly some long time on my part, aside some random postings here and there and so it's not surprising you only have the past to consider I guess.
And if you wanna be treated the way you treat others, I could simply leave a final retort with an idiom in way of not speaking where you're not entirely aware of the whole thing. Speaking in respect to the past and the now that is. But I won't.
Especially when the point in my post is more than valid, which, come to think of it, honestly doesn't even merit the latter half of your post if you think about it.
So yeah, I guess the problem is kind of visible there for you.
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Post by Methos on Sept 11, 2015 20:47:58 GMT
Y'know, somehow you always seem to find new ways to make me laugh.
Everyone changes, it's part of being human, but first impressions are hard to shake, and it's hard for your opinion of a person to change, when you don't actually see any change in the person.
Kain and I have changed considerably less than a lot of you guys have over the last few years, that's simply because we are both adults, and have already gone through the maturation process that most of you have been going through during those years(some of you are probably still going through it).
Additionally, even if you do change as a person, your behavior on the forums doesn't necessarily change much. Nova, for example, based on posts made by him, since I joined the EF community, and up to now, hasn't really had a large change in behavior, while Ethan has changed quite a lot in the same period.
Even with changes though, as I mentioned earlier, first/early impressions are hard to shake.
While I'm consciously aware that Ethan has changed quite a lot, which is reflected in how I behave towards him, my first thought when thinking of him, is still the fanboy I debated with in my early days as a member, who complained about my pointing out self-contradictions in his posts.
And likewise, when there was a few cases of fairly blatant admin abuse in the early days of this forum, my first thought was not "bloody hell, Nova is really acting like an arsehole", it was more along the lines of "he must be joking/trolling somehow".
While I'm very willing to believe that Ethan has changed, from the person/behavior that Kain describes, the fact is that since Kain hasn't actually seen any change(due to a lack of exposure, as Ethan pointed out), he has no reason to actually think that any significant change has occurred. I'd have thought that Nova at least, as a Psych. minor(iirc), would be aware of this.
That said, to put in my 2 cents on the topic at hand(Code of Conduct), there are two very simple sentences/quotes, that nicely sum it up:
1. Treat others as you wish to be treated. Aka. The Golden Rule.
2. No one has the right to not be offended.
2b. Offense is taken, not given.
I follow those rules(for the lack of a better word) both 'in real life' and online in the various forums and communities that I participate in, and I don't particularly see that changing anytime soon, unless someone can make one hell of an argument showing that those rules are a bad 'code of conduct'.
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Post by thephenomenalone on Sept 12, 2015 0:10:55 GMT
My code of conduct is fucking nuts. I'm a huge sarcastic, goofball that loves making people smile. I curse like a sailor and have an absolute rechid sense of humor. At the same time though, I can dine with the POTUS and fit right in. I give almost everybody in life more chances than I should. I've been burnt by best friends and family but also see the good in random acts of kindness by strangers. I believe in humanity. I always will. I'm super easy to get along with and try to show everyone the respect and common courtesy that I wish to be treated. Granted, on these forums, I come across crazy and might introduce myself by telling you to go suck a fat baby's dick. But in a serious conversation I can be serious. I'm typing this on my phone while I poop and drink a KCCO gold lager. Another thing I want to point out just from my own observations. People give Methos and Kain shit because they're insensitive picks...and they are! At least, that's how it seems to us. I've met my fair share of Europeans and that's pretty much how they are lol. We can try and debate their feelings as much as we want, but you can't change how a person feels. I remember the old forum I honestly got pissed at Methos for a post he made that seemed so insensitive to me. That might be the only time I legit got pissed on the internet. Actually, I take that back. When Treach tried to call me out as a multi account person, I was pissed. But I digress... Methos and Kain are good dudes and I've enjoyed my small amount of interaction I've had with them in Internet land. They might see Ethvan as an immature couple, I see a genius comedic duo. Just be nice to people, it's not that hard...that's what she said...
Cheers!
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Post by thephenomenalone on Sept 12, 2015 0:11:46 GMT
Hell, they're probably gonna bitch about one big text block...but that's ok. I accept them.
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Post by Terranova on Sept 12, 2015 5:52:33 GMT
My code of conduct is fucking nuts. I'm a huge sarcastic, goofball that loves making people smile. I curse like a sailor and have an absolute rechid sense of humor. At the same time though, I can dine with the POTUS and fit right in. I give almost everybody in life more chances than I should. I've been burnt by best friends and family but also see the good in random acts of kindness by strangers. I believe in humanity. I always will. I'm super easy to get along with and try to show everyone the respect and common courtesy that I wish to be treated. Granted, on these forums, I come across crazy and might introduce myself by telling you to go suck a fat baby's dick. But in a serious conversation I can be serious. I'm typing this on my phone while I poop and drink a KCCO gold lager. Another thing I want to point out just from my own observations. People give Methos and Kain shit because they're insensitive picks...and they are! At least, that's how it seems to us. I've met my fair share of Europeans and that's pretty much how they are lol. We can try and debate their feelings as much as we want, but you can't change how a person feels. I remember the old forum I honestly got pissed at Methos for a post he made that seemed so insensitive to me. That might be the only time I legit got pissed on the internet. Actually, I take that back. When Treach tried to call me out as a multi account person, I was pissed. But I digress... Methos and Kain are good dudes and I've enjoyed my small amount of interaction I've had with them in Internet land. They might see Ethvan as an immature couple, I see a genius comedic duo. Just be nice to people, it's not that hard...that's what she said... Cheers! This was the weirdest shit for me to read... Like, I think I actually respect you more for posting this... :/ Despite your text block xDDD |
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Post by forceecho on Sept 22, 2015 17:13:06 GMT
My code of conduct is fucking nuts. I'm a huge sarcastic, goofball that loves making people smile. I curse like a sailor and have an absolute rechid sense of humor. At the same time though, I can dine with the POTUS and fit right in. I give almost everybody in life more chances than I should. I've been burnt by best friends and family but also see the good in random acts of kindness by strangers. I believe in humanity. I always will. I'm super easy to get along with and try to show everyone the respect and common courtesy that I wish to be treated. Granted, on these forums, I come across crazy and might introduce myself by telling you to go suck a fat baby's dick. But in a serious conversation I can be serious. I'm typing this on my phone while I poop and drink a KCCO gold lager. Another thing I want to point out just from my own observations. People give Methos and Kain shit because they're insensitive picks...and they are! At least, that's how it seems to us. I've met my fair share of Europeans and that's pretty much how they are lol. We can try and debate their feelings as much as we want, but you can't change how a person feels. I remember the old forum I honestly got pissed at Methos for a post he made that seemed so insensitive to me. That might be the only time I legit got pissed on the internet. Actually, I take that back. When Treach tried to call me out as a multi account person, I was pissed. But I digress... Methos and Kain are good dudes and I've enjoyed my small amount of interaction I've had with them in Internet land. They might see Ethvan as an immature couple, I see a genius comedic duo. Just be nice to people, it's not that hard...that's what she said... Cheers! Gr8 post d00d |
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Post by thephenomenalone on Sept 23, 2015 1:48:16 GMT
My code of conduct is fucking nuts. I'm a huge sarcastic, goofball that loves making people smile. I curse like a sailor and have an absolute rechid sense of humor. At the same time though, I can dine with the POTUS and fit right in. I give almost everybody in life more chances than I should. I've been burnt by best friends and family but also see the good in random acts of kindness by strangers. I believe in humanity. I always will. I'm super easy to get along with and try to show everyone the respect and common courtesy that I wish to be treated. Granted, on these forums, I come across crazy and might introduce myself by telling you to go suck a fat baby's dick. But in a serious conversation I can be serious. I'm typing this on my phone while I poop and drink a KCCO gold lager. Another thing I want to point out just from my own observations. People give Methos and Kain shit because they're insensitive picks...and they are! At least, that's how it seems to us. I've met my fair share of Europeans and that's pretty much how they are lol. We can try and debate their feelings as much as we want, but you can't change how a person feels. I remember the old forum I honestly got pissed at Methos for a post he made that seemed so insensitive to me. That might be the only time I legit got pissed on the internet. Actually, I take that back. When Treach tried to call me out as a multi account person, I was pissed. But I digress... Methos and Kain are good dudes and I've enjoyed my small amount of interaction I've had with them in Internet land. They might see Ethvan as an immature couple, I see a genius comedic duo. Just be nice to people, it's not that hard...that's what she said... Cheers! Gr8 post d00d Lulz i kn0 rght? #Yolo #brodoswaggins #heybabyyoueverhaveyourassholelickedbyafatmaninanovercoat |
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That was.. something. I'llsticktopoppingtrophies. *Runs away*
