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Post by ConfessionFPT on Jul 1, 2014 13:41:04 GMT
There were too many holes in this monkey for it to be moving as much as it was. Black Widow has shot it, knocked it on it’s tail, and had run it over with a shopping cart numerous times. Hit-Monkey still got up to challenge her. It’s blood drenched tuxedo was seething crimson onto the freshly waxed floor as he raised his nun-chucks in one last effort to slay the assassin in front of him. Widow effortlessly kicked the weapon of his clutches and he watched it tumble across the floor. “Stop trying to kill me,” she ordered the well-dressed primate. Still he swung his little fist at her, missing her by a great margin. She had no bullets left to put the creature out of its misery. What she did have was a grocery shelf of canned soup at her disposal. So she used that. The screeching sound that came from Hit-Monkey was so blood curdling that she almost regretted her actions for a second. She remembered that she had spent the past hour and a half exchanging gun fire with it, and shrugged it off. She turned to leave when she heard an excited voice scream, “That was amazing!” She recognized that voice, “Oh crap-“ Tucker (her new acquaintance who couldn’t take a gawddamn hint) emerged from behind an obnoxious cereal display jumping up and down in excitement, “That was the best thing I ever saw!” Natasha was tired. She had no desire to deal with this love-sick puppy dog. So she abruptly turned to make her leave. “That’s why my soul was so drawn to you,” he followed her, clutching his knit cap to his heart, “You’re one of those super heroes! I’ve seen you online! You’ve saved the world, you saved New York! I Can’t believe that the Dao has brought us together like this, I knew you were special from the moment I-“ his endless speech was cut short by the Black Widow clutching his neck. “Listen here, Tyler,” she made sure to use the wrong name on purpose, “I am not one of those ‘super-hero-types’, I am a cold-blooded killer, my heart is black. I have killed men who have annoyed me much less than you. I’m asking nicely for the last time that you leave me alone. If you speak another word to me, I’ll throw you threw that window.” He leaned his head back to see the pawn shop behind him, he then turned back to her and choked out the words, “I love you!” She kept her promise. And his ass went through that window. At that same second, a sharp projectile flew through the air and implanted itself in the brickwall where Tucker’s head had been. She heard a familiar, sinister voice scream, “SUNNUVVABITCH!” Black Widow immediately took cover in the pawn shop. Someone just missed. “You just had to make me miss, Widow!” Bullseye yelled from a top the adjacent building. Tucker, who had been cut up by the shards of glass he broke through, writhed on the pawn shop floor in pain, “Oww..my head..” “Who are and why is Bullseye trying to kill you?” Black Widow shook him. “It must be Jay Putty!” “Start making sense!” she smacked him. “Jay Putty, the lead singer of the Jay Putty Experience, he knew my band was going to beat him at the talent show on Friday, he’s trying to get me killed!” “Shut up,” she looked up at the building side where Bullseye had been. He was nowhere to be seen, “You’re not getting killed because of a talent show!” She had no idea why Bullseye wanted to end him, but she had to subdue him and keep this smelly little asshole safe. “Get up!” she brushed the glass off of him, “lets get out of here.” So, in this second part of this story thing (read the first part here: electricferret.freeforums.net/thread/2336/black-widow-hit-monkey ), Black Widow has to protect this guy who had been following her. Everyone in the pawn shop ran for cover as soon as Bullseye made an appearance. She stocked up on a variety of weapons.    electricferret.freeforums.net/thread/46/black-widow electricferret.freeforums.net/thread/36/bullseye |
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Post by Bloody Freak on Jul 2, 2014 0:25:55 GMT
Unfortunately for Tucker, I feel like Bullseye is superior here on nearly all accounts. EDIT: It appears they've fought before and Bullseye won.    |
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Post by bigballerju on Jul 2, 2014 1:19:24 GMT
Black Widow back then wasn't what she is now in experience and skills. Widow today is not to be f**ked with. Also Widow has helped Daredevil beat Bullseye actually. I think she can protect him and then kicks Bullseye's ass after a good fight.
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Post by Bloody Freak on Jul 2, 2014 1:42:43 GMT
Personally, I can't see it. If you look at real life martial arts, a highly skilled woman vs a highly skilled man will always end with the man winning without much effort. Knockout ability alone is usually enough. That's just how it goes. Comics, I understand, are a bit different. Though if we are to take this fight for facts alone, and not plot based factors, Natasha isn't as strong or skilled as Bullseye. Bullseye is also much more resourceful, and being in a pawn shop, who knows what he will get his hands on.
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Post by bigballerju on Jul 2, 2014 13:07:36 GMT
Comics isn't the real world and you can't use that first reason. Second the statement after it saying a highly skilled man will always beat a highly skilled woman is a sexist comment. I have seen woman who can fight be able to beat a man who is just as skilled. None of that matters because using real world to prove who wins in comics is always going to be stupid. I hate when people do that. We don't have men in costumes flying around or people with superhuman abilities.
Black Widow you do know has taken her own version of a super soldier serum by Red Room right? She is physically and mentally superior then Bullseye. In addition she is actually more skilled in Martial Arts then Bullseye. Bullseye is only superior in regards to his superhuman like marksmen abilities, highly skilled assasin abilities, and adamantium fused to his skeleton. Black Widow actually is on a super human level and Marvel has her on that level which many people seem to forget.
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Post by DamagingRob on Jul 2, 2014 15:29:13 GMT
Unfortunately for Tucker, I feel like Bullseye is superior here on nearly all accounts. Somehow, my eyes shifted plains here.. I read "Unfortunately for Tucker, it's a gerbil world." :/ Interesting match, but I don't know who'd win. |
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Post by Bloody Freak on Jul 2, 2014 17:53:59 GMT
Comics isn't the real world and you can't use that first reason. Second the statement after it saying a highly skilled man will always beat a highly skilled woman is a sexist comment. I have seen woman who can fight be able to beat a man who is just as skilled. None of that matters because using real world to prove who wins in comics is always going to be stupid. I hate when people do that. We don't have men in costumes flying around or people with superhuman abilities. Black Widow you do know has taken her own version of a super soldier serum by Red Room right? She is physically and mentally superior then Bullseye. In addition she is actually more skilled in Martial Arts then Bullseye. Bullseye is only superior in regards to his superhuman like marksmen abilities, highly skilled assasin abilities, and adamantium fused to his skeleton. Black Widow actually is on a super human level and Marvel has her on that level which many people seem to forget. Eh, the statement is not sexist in the least, less PC than most would like though, but it's entirely true. I'm a incredibly huge fight fan. I've seen millions of boxing, K1, Jiu-Jitus, and MMA fights in my time and I enjoy watching the women get down almost as much as the men. When they're high level. When you watch two women swinging wildly without technique it's actually embarrassing and never ends in a finish. The simply fact of it, they are incapable of hitting as hard as men and they're bodies aren't able to become as explosive or athletic. In the big picture, overall, Ronda Rousey is the greatest women's fighter around today. Her style is Judo & Jiu-Jitsu and she runs through other skilled women with ease. Put Ronda up against a male fighter who barely breaks top 30 but with a judo & jiu-jitsu base, like Manny Gamburyan for example, and she loses. Every time. That doesn't make her less skilled. It's just how bodies work and it's silly to call that sexism. It's just fact. If you look at women's boxing, knockouts are rare and if you see a finish it's usually because the other girl is getting hit too much and starts to give up. Of course, knockouts can happen but they're few and far between. Whereas men will knock out another man and not require an extensive skill set to do so. There's also the matter of weight and muscle mass. With a little research, I find Black Widow is a mere 131 pounds to Bullseye's 200. That's quite a huge disadvantage. A 130 pound man vs a 200 pound man with similar skills will always end with the heavier emerging victorious. Replace the lighter of the two with a woman and I don't see how that changes for the the better. That's why fighting has weight classes. Natasha is clearly taking performance enhancing drugs but, according to all the sites I've researched for her, she possesses " peak-level physiology, making her as strong, agile, fast, and durable as a female human can possibly be without being classified as superhuman." So, no, she's not super human level. Bullseye is also supposedly peak male human condition which, as I've explained, is superior to a women's peak physiology. PC police will probably hate me saying that but it's just fact based on actual evidence. Ignoring this because Comics don't = real world doesn't make sense and makes debating pointless. Things get even worse when you add in Adamantium. Every strike he throws at her will essentially be like getting hit with a baseball bat... only harder. When it comes down to accuracy, Bullseye is supposed to never miss. Not because of a super power but because he's unimaginably skilled. He can kill her with a peanut or a playing card and I'm assuming he has guns here. I'm sure she's exceptional with a gun but his mere concept is supposed to make him superior in that department so I don't know how he doesn't receive the edge. Aside from the fact that's he's bad and she's "good," Bullseye holds all the advantages and has even beaten her before. Again, unless Daredevil shows up, I can't see how she can win this. |
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Post by kainboa on Jul 2, 2014 21:12:36 GMT
On Natasha is clearly taking performance enhancing drugsNo, she isn't, she was a part of a super soldier program in Russia, which has enhanced her to a certain degree, but she isn't currently taking anything. according to all the sites I've researched for her, she possesses "peak-level physiology, making her as strong, agile, fast, and durable as a female human can possibly be without being classified as superhuman."Well, there's your problem, instead of actually reading the comics, you're depending on various sites, those same sites incidentally also classify Captain America as "just peak human", when he's shown the capability to dodge bullets due to being able to see them fly towards him, as well as other things of that nature. So, no, she's not super human level.Actually, if you read the comics, you would know that Yes, she is super human, if just barely. Bullseye is also supposedly peak male human condition which, as I've explained, is superior to a women's peak physiology.This is true, however since Black widow isn't just peak human, she's superior. Aside from the fact that's he's bad and she's "good," Bullseye holds all the advantages and has even beaten her before.
Aside from the fact that she's "good", she's physically superior as well as more skilled in every area except for ranged combat. While it is possible for Bullseye to get a win here, it is not nearly as clear cut as you seem to believe.
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Post by bigballerju on Jul 2, 2014 21:30:56 GMT
Marvel has Black Widow officially stated as a superhuman both physically and mentally. Something Bullseye is not. Your comparison fails Bloody when Marvel has it Bullseye physically and mentally isn't on her level. Bullseye has missed before. Also Kain is right. People have Cap stated as peak human when he is a enhanced human which is way above that level.
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Post by leroypowell3 on Jul 2, 2014 23:48:53 GMT
I'm voting for Bullseye because I agree with the arguments for him.
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Post by DSkillz on Jul 5, 2014 22:47:29 GMT
Another good one, Confession. Maybe the next assassin will actually kill Natasha's stalker.  As for the match, I think Black Widow may just win this. She's more skilled and possibly physically superior, and since she and Bullseye actually have a history, she'll be better prepared for him this time. |
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Post by Bloody Freak on Jul 15, 2014 4:45:23 GMT
Ah, shoot. I've been away and missed this. Oh well, you guys win. haha. Still think Bullseye would thrash her. Although I don't agree with the physically superior claims, that seems to be fan perspective rather than canon, this is still a close fight and anything can happen.
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Post by kainboa on Jul 15, 2014 23:11:41 GMT
Still think Bullseye would thrash her. And yet you've provided no evidence to support that belief, funny how that goes. Although I don't agree with the physically superior claims, that seems to be fan perspective rather than canonActually, contrary to your claim, those physically superior claims are fairly well documented in the comics, rather than " all the sites I've researched for her", so no, it isn't a fan perspective, it's actual fact. this is still a close fight and anything can happen.
Not really no, Natasha is physically superior, on top of being more skilled by a fairly large margin. The fact that you believe otherwise, simply shows your ignorance of the actual capabilities of the characters involved.
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Post by Bloody Freak on Jul 16, 2014 0:03:32 GMT
Whoa... no need to be feisty. Evidence to my theory of fan perspective taken from the official site. The official rating of her strength is a mere 3. Fan votes put her at the max level.. I'm not a comic book fan by any means & the worst part of them is the fans taking it too seriously. I'm out for now. This place doesn't need to be hostile & it's clear you would prefer not to hear a differing opinion. |
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Post by kainboa on Jul 16, 2014 10:43:20 GMT
Evidence to my theory of fan perspective taken from the official site. The official rating of her strength is a mere 3.
And evidence to counter that theory, is the fact that the official rating for Captain America, is also a mere 3. This has been shown in the comics to be incorrect. It doesn't matter what various sites on the internet claim, what matters is what is actually shown in the comics.
This place doesn't need to be hostile & it's clear you would prefer not to hear a differing opinion.
That isn't quite true, I would love to hear a differing opinion, as long as it's an educated one, in a topic where it is actually a matter of opinion. Rather than an uneducated one in a topic where it isn't a matter of opinion, but a matter of fact. As is the case here. I'm not a comic book fan by any means & the worst part of them is the fans taking it too seriously.
This is in large part a comic book forum, what did you expect?
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