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Post by tomnowinblue on Oct 7, 2015 4:30:26 GMT
The fight between the dragon and the pokemon raged on in the skies above. By now most spectators had either fled or been tossed away as a result of the clash. Vin managed to keep safe by using her allomancy to keep her distance and also observe the fight. It didn't take long, however, for her heart to sink. Mewtwo was the most powerful pokemon in the world, and even Shurikan was no match for his strength. As powerful as she was, if Shruikan stood no chance again Mewtwo, what could she do? She retreated into herself, trying to find a solution. The events of the day had replayed in her mind. She had an encounter with Link, honorary officer of the Fantasy District's elite guard. The mistborn had managed to get the best of him and escape, then someone came along and killed him. After such a high profile murder, they locked the distract down - keeping Vin from fleeing the Fantasy District. She was the top suspect in the murder, and a trial was set. To allow her lawyer to enter, they reopened the terminal. After that it was a simple matter to clear her name. Now, there was a new suspect. Whoever was behind erasing the old world had sent Mewtwo after her. If Shurikan failed, she was next. Vin knew that the smart option was to flee, but she couldn't abandon an ally even if it meant her death would soon follow. A final black flame streaked across the sky, hitting Mewtwo's barrier and splitting around him. As Shurikan tried to bathe his opponent in flames, a lightening bolt came from the sky and struck the dragon on his neck. Vin watched in horror as her friend's body went limp. Mewtwo held Shurikan in the air with his psychic powers before throwing him to the ground with earth shaking force. Vin hurried to his side, and it was clear that he was still breathing. She let out a long breath, but the relief was minor. Mewtwo had nearly effortlessly knocked out one of the most powerful allies Vin had ever known. Mewtwo hovered above her, "Times up, human." "I won't make it easy," Vin said, staring definately at the pokemon. She knew there was nothing she could do to stop him, but she had to try. She used her emotional allomancy to try and calm her attacker, making him less likely to react quickly enough. She then flared Pewter, which increased her strength, and pulled on every piece of nearby metal she could get, sending everything at Mewtwo from all directions. But it wasn't enough. The psychic pokemon stopped everything, then with one powerful push, sent everything away. Vin deflected everything that was coming at her. The two stared one and other down before Mewtwo lifted her in the air. "This game is over," he declared. But before he could finish the fight, the wind changed. A powerful gust slammed into Mewtwo, sending him flying toward a building. Mewtwo stopped himself before slamming into it, and looked to see his new attacker. A boy stood before him, with glowing blue eyes and arrow tattoos. "Enough!" Aang declared, in a voice that carried the wisdom and power of thousands, "You serve one who used the death of an entire world to gain power, you have killed in his name and threaten the sanctity of life. That threat ends here!"
electricferret.freeforums.net/thread/1996/mewtwo   electricferret.freeforums.net/thread/194/aang
Both fighters at full power. Mewtwo as seen in the movie, Aang in Avatar State as seen in the Last Airbender Finale. |
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Post by Nesh on Oct 7, 2015 4:45:26 GMT
I think I can comfortably vote Aang on this one since he's in the Avatar State. That should prevent Mewtwo from messing with his mind since he is legion at the moment and Aang's air and Earthbending can bypass Mewtwo's barriers by affecting the stuff directly around him.
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Post by DSkillz on Oct 7, 2015 6:12:32 GMT
Pretty good match, Tom. I know Mewtwo's a powerful telepath and telekinetic, but I'm not familiar with him per se, or really even Pokémon in general.
That said, while the Avatar State can overpower bending attacks, I've never really seen an Avatar have to deal with being directly mind controlled, so I'm not sure how effective the Avatar State can be in this instance.
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Post by tomnowinblue on Oct 7, 2015 10:11:55 GMT
Pretty good match, Tom. I know Mewtwo's a powerful telepath and telekinetic, but I'm not familiar with him per se, or really even Pokémon in general. That said, while the Avatar State can overpower bending attacks, I've never really seen an Avatar have to deal with being directly mind controlled, so I'm not sure how effective the Avatar State can be in this instance. Even if Pokemon doesn't interest you, I would highly suggest watching Mewtwo Strikes Back (or one of it's other titles). It could be part nostalgia, but I think Mewtwo is one of the coolest villains in animated history. I'm trying to find some feats from the movie, but it's hard to find. The best one I've come across is this poorly shot one, still it's a nice introduction and a cool scene www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4lcmGBIgL8Here's a better quality video and one of him actually fighting another pokemon www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkmueP_bIk8On top of all that, in the beginning of the movie Mewtwo creates a massive hurricane - so only the strongest of trainers can get to his island. |
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Post by bigballerju on Oct 8, 2015 17:09:11 GMT
I have never seen Aang show any telepathy ability or defenses against it. Its been explained and shown very clearly what he is capable of too. I will not give him abilities he has never shown. Until I see proof Mewtwo has this match won for sure.
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Post by Nesh on Oct 8, 2015 20:09:33 GMT
I have never seen Aang show any telepathy ability or defenses against it. Its been explained and shown very clearly what he is capable of too. I will not give him abilities he has never shown. Until I see proof Mewtwo has this match won for sure. We've seen the Avatar State completely negate Yakone's psychic Bloodbending, and the Avatar State is like combining the minds and power of hundrds of lives. Mewtwo has never shown the kind of telepathic abilities to deal with hundreds of minds at once. |
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Post by bigballerju on Oct 9, 2015 0:47:36 GMT
Psychic Bloodbending is not telepathy. Two different completely different things. Psychic Bloodblending allows the user to control there abilities through focus and will rather then physical movement. Until I see some unknown footage we don't know about regarding Aang actually fighting someone who is a actually telepathy then no Avatar State is not negating or blocking any telepathy attacks. Also if you shut off Aang's mind he can not tap into the past lives of other Avatars. It's not a combining of minds but rather he can connect with past Avatars.
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Post by DSkillz on Oct 9, 2015 2:34:13 GMT
We've seen the Avatar State completely negate Yakone's psychic Bloodbending, and the Avatar State is like combining the minds and power of hundrds of lives. Mewtwo has never shown the kind of telepathic abilities to deal with hundreds of minds at once. Like baller mentioned, the "psychic" part of psychic bloodbending refers to the person's own bending. This means that the bender is using his/her own mind to control the water within another being's body (not control the other being's mind), and unlike most benders, do so without any physical movements or gestures. As for the Avatar evoking past lives? I don't even know if that can disrupt mind control, or if the Avatar State can do so otherwise. Aang in the Avatar State just might be a physical match for Mewtwo's telekinesis/blasts/etc., but since we've never seen an Avatar have to deal with straight-up mind control, I don't think I can vote on this one. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Oct 9, 2015 6:04:45 GMT
Nesh is actually making a pretty good point. When it comes to telepathy, the more jumbled and multi faceted a person's mind is, the more likely it is for the telepath to have trouble controlling said mind. This is part of the reason why the Hulk is somewhat resistant to telepathy; his multiple personalities. We aren't going to find any evidence of Aang being immune to telepathy. Honestly, asking for that kind of unfalsifiable evidence is a cop out. We can go by what we know here, and what we know is that it's a fact that telepathy is stronger and weaker against different types of people. You can hear it in Aang's voice when he goes into the Avatar State. I am inclined to think that Aang would at least be resistant to telepathy, as I've never seen Mewtwo control dozens or hundreds of minds at once.
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Post by bigballerju on Oct 10, 2015 2:37:11 GMT
Just to add to this you can't say its a cop out to ask for evidence of Aang being immune to telepathy when your trying to say Aang would be resistant to a ability he has never encountered and has shown no signs he has any defense against. Saying Aang may be resistant to telepathy is giving him a ability he does not have and has never shown any form of ability to resist or battle telepathy. Either people have evidence of this or Aang has no defense against telepathy. Nothing to keep Mewtwo from shutting his mind down.
Aang does not have dozens or hundreds of minds at once in his head. Mewtwo shuts off Aang's mind its game over. Aang speaks with Avatars and can tap into there lives. Aang can channel there knowledge and things like that. He does not actually have there mind in his head. I don't know where it was ever shown or said that.
The different voices you here in his Avatar state is past Avatars' lives channeling there energy into him. Its still Aang's mind.
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Post by Nesh on Oct 10, 2015 3:06:06 GMT
Just to add to this you can't say its a cop out to ask for evidence of Aang being immune to telepathy when your trying to say Aang would be resistant to a ability he has never encountered and has shown no signs he has any defense against. Saying Aang may be resistant to telepathy is giving him a ability he does not have and has never shown any form of ability to resist or battle telepathy. Either people have evidence of this or Aang has no defense against telepathy. Nothing to keep Mewtwo from shutting his mind down. Aang does not have dozens or hundreds of minds at once in his head. Mewtwo shuts off Aang's mind its game over. Aang speaks with Avatars and can tap into there lives. Aang can channel there knowledge and things like that. He does not actually have there mind in his head. I don't know where it was ever shown or said that. Even so, The Avatar State has been clearly shown to act outside of the the Avatar's mid, such as putting Aang the the iceberg. All shutting his mind down would do is release Aang's inhibitions about killing. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Oct 10, 2015 3:25:12 GMT
I said it was a cop out, because we both know you're asking for evidence in a specific context that doesn't exist. That's like saying God doesn't exist because you've never met him. I never said Aang was immune to telepathy--only that evidence suggests he could be resistant to it.
However, that depends on which Aang we are using. If we are using Aang after he's already mastered the Avatar State, that means he's actually more susceptible to a mental attack, because he himself is on control 100 percent of the time. This is because when the A State is used reflexively, as in Aang's earlier appearances, he essentially surrenders most of his conscious control to his past lives and the sum of their experiences. When using the A State in this way, this is the reason why we hear all the voices and he uses techniques that go beyond what Aang actually knows.
Look again at my previous example of the Incredible Hulk. He is resistant to telepathy because of the extreme amount of emotion and his split personalities. What more should I have to say? Aang in a reflexive Avatar State is extremely emotional and multifaceted in his persona.
Mind you, I'm not saying Aang will win. I think Mewtwo's raw telekinetic strength is, at the very least, on par with Aang's levels of bending strength.
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Post by g4hardcore on Oct 10, 2015 3:27:53 GMT
Just to add to this you can't say its a cop out to ask for evidence of Aang being immune to telepathy when your trying to say Aang would be resistant to a ability he has never encountered and has shown no signs he has any defense against. Saying Aang may be resistant to telepathy is giving him a ability he does not have and has never shown any form of ability to resist or battle telepathy. Either people have evidence of this or Aang has no defense against telepathy. Nothing to keep Mewtwo from shutting his mind down. Aang does not have dozens or hundreds of minds at once in his head. Mewtwo shuts off Aang's mind its game over. Aang speaks with Avatars and can tap into there lives. Aang can channel there knowledge and things like that. He does not actually have there mind in his head. I don't know where it was ever shown or said that. Even so, The Avatar State has been clearly shown to act outside of the the Avatar's mid, such as putting Aang the the iceberg. All shutting his mind down would do is release Aang's inhibitions about killing. Exactly, I doubt Mewtwo could shut down all those minds in such a frenzied state as easily as he could just Aang. Plus, if Mewtwo can shut down minds so easily, why doesn't he shut down the minds of literally every pokemon he's ever fought? |
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Post by leroypowell3 on Oct 10, 2015 22:58:29 GMT
Great debate. I'm convinced of Mewtwo winning. Sorry Avatar.
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Post by Blue Flame is BACK! :) on Oct 13, 2015 2:26:58 GMT
Mewtwo doesn't use his telepathy during battle from what I have ever seen. He relies on his telekinesis and nothing points to him fighting different in this battle. Plus Aang Avatar state is like all the Avatars spirits minds combined, so even if he did use his telepathy for battle which would be out of his norm he'd have to control Aangs mind when Aang isn't exactly in full control to begin with. Because its more like a collective mind of all the Avatars.
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