Khazan Secret Wars: Starkiller vs Worldbreaker

Lmao wow Panzer.

Hulk has enough experience with telekinesis, that grabbing him in any way, like a "rope" around him, is something he would simply break out of, something that Starkiller most definitely does not have the power to prevent.

Keep in mind that one of the enemies of Hulk, is probably one of the single most powerful(in terms of raw power) telekinetics in the Marvel universe.

I'm talking about Vector, of course. A telekinetic so powerful that he can push "the fabric of reality" inside the Crossroads nexus. Not exactly the most inventive user of TK, but definitely one of the most powerful.

1. I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

My referencing the incident where Vector actually moves the fabric of the universe, was not a demonstration of how Hulk would break out of a telekinetic hold. It was merely a demonstration of Vector's raw telekinetic power(i.e. considerably more than Starkiller can muster).

2. Even a teleinetic grip can be fought against(depending on the exact location of the grip), which was my point, if Starkiller were to grab a hold of Hulk in order to throw him away, that would be a hold that Hulk could break out of, and would know how to do so due to his past experience with telekinetics.

3. You seem to be underestimating Hulk's speed. Hulk has shown capable of catching even Spider-Man by surprise(managing, on one occasion, to grab a hold of Spider-Man's ankle).

4. For some reason you also seem to be underestimating the raw power of Hulk. If he decides to use a thunderclap against Starkiller, he wouldn't need to catch him by surprise. The split second warning that force precog. gives Starkiller, wouldn't be enough to escape an area of effect attack with that kind of power, especially not if he's trying to maintain a telekinetic hold on Hulk.

Starkiller's best shot is to hit Hulk with a full powered "force push", while Hulk is in the air(jumping), in order to launch Hulk as far away from him as possible, then immediately turn and run, and hope that Hulk doesn't have some way of tracking him.

I don't think I did. I understood the intent of demonstrating Vector's power. It's merely that aside his power being incredible in terms of intensity, it's a moot point given how he actually used it against the Hulk. As I already said, it's not exactly the same fashion as how Galen Marek could put his own telekinetic prowess to use. If you're implying that it would require the intensity of telekinesis on par with Vector's in order to be able to carry out the idea... well, that's just silly. Because if that is the case, this easily falls apart purely because of how the telekinesis would be applied here. As has already been incessantly pointed out, they're not one and the same in application.

If you were discussing this in regard to continuously pulsing an advancing Hulk with Force pushes, you would be right on the ball. Unfortunately, this is not remotely the same scenario we are trying to convey here.

You appear to be misconstruing what I'd said. I'll clarify. Yes, it can be broken out of, if the force of the grip can be acted against by an opposing force. In this case, the Hulk's own immense, brute force. This wasn't being disputed. What was disputed is that in order to be able to do so, the Hulk would need some form of traction or leverage to be able to do so. In so far as I'm aware (and I'm actually an incredible fan of the Incredible Hulk), the goliath isn't capable of flying or levitating. Meaning if he's suspended in mid-air, there's little to no chance of him actually being able to break out of it. This is also a bit harder than a unidirectional shove, as seen in the Crossroads example: the grip is more or less omnidirectional, acting on a portion of his body. Well, it doesn't exactly have to be, as it's a fluid force, but I think you understand what I mean. I'm unsure if the prior sentence (or two) conveys the idea well enough. Ah well.

And as I'd also already said, if he does somehow, by random chance of freak incident, break out of it, there's nothing stopping Marek from swiftly flicking over onto the next appendage. Aside a surprise thunder clap but more on that shortly.

I know he's also hit the likes of Quicksilver. Though that was more or less just demonstrating a showing when the story's centered on the Hulk. There are entities such as Captain America and those similar who have gone into close encounters with the green behemoth and come out fairly intact. I think you may be underestimating the combination of precognition and superhuman agility/speed a Force user has access to. The Hulk's speed is purely on a reflexive basis, not a movement basis by the way in regard to these feats, so you know. And more often than not, he isn't moving at like seven hundred plus miles per hour anyway, heh.

And I'm wholly aware of the Hulk's strength, heh. Capable of supporting one hundred and fifty billion tons (with some help), threw together nuclear doors Thor and the Thing couldn't close together, etc... What I'd meant by mitigating the surprise was in that if Marek indeed had him captured in such fashion, he would certainly be in a position to react to the "surprise" attack, by throwing him away or interfering easily.

I'll even go further and expand on the ragdoll premise. You'll note it's similar to your idea: he could throw him aside or away. Simple. It could happen fairly quickly, in nigh an instant. No different from slapping the Hulk out of mid-air with a staggering Force push in your given scenario. Just merely grab and flick him away tumultuously in one direction as Marek makes his escape.

And I sincerely doubt the mind tricks will be effective on the Hulk, given his incredible, innate psionic resistance.