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Post by g4hardcore on Feb 18, 2015 18:39:49 GMT
I think Darth Maul has the most over all rage to power the ring best. That is true. In all seriousness, Kratos hasn't really had that much happen to him compared to Maul. Let's see. He was born to a tribe of insane witches on a blood-red planet, he was then kidnapped by a Sith Lord and given a hellish training regimen, and then he was cut in half and chucked down a pit. He was then shipped to a junk planet where he lived alone for like 20 years with only an annoying worm thing for company, and then metal legs were painfully grafted to his skin. And after all that, he was then tortured with force lightning by his old master and saw his brother die in front of him. Maul has a LOT to be angry about. It's only because of his undying rage that he's survived all this. It doesn't matter that two of his opponents are technically indestructible. He still wins. Experience with tragedy is really a non factor here. Juggernaut hadn't really had that much happen to him, it doesn't mean that's the reason why he's going to lose. It's all about how you react and channel what has happened in your life, if anything. Everyone here has a lot to be angry about, so what? Harry's owl died and Kratos murdered his family. Maul got chopped in half and Juggernaut was abandoned by his power source. (Isn't Colossus still the current Avatar anyway?) It doesn't matter if someone is indestructible? Yeah, no. The red lantern ring if it choose Juggernaut means he had a shitload of rage more then he already does to become a Red Lantern. Being a Red Lantern might actually allow Cain to finally unlock his full power as Juggernaut. Juggernaut is already the most powerful one here and you give him a Red Lantern ring it pretty much signs the dot on his victory here. What does Juggy have to be angry about, anyways? I never really understood why he hates Xavier so much. Okay, so realistically, Juggernaut should win. The dude doesn't even need oxygen to breath. But Darth Maul would probably get the most intense power boost from the ring, due to his anger. However, Maul is also more intelligent, more trained, and would probably be able to maintain more control over the Red ring's influence. Realistically, current Juggernaut would get ripped apart by Kratos. I think he's still without the gem, and even if he had it, his invulnerable would be useless in the hands of hope. But being able to breathe doesn't say anything about his abilities except for a blatant lack of asphyxiation. I do think that Maul would have more control, but I'd say his training is a toss up with Kratos. So is speed, when the Boots of Hermes are kept in mind. Kratos has the advantages of strength, defense, and sheer rage by virtue of the fact that he is a screeching rage monster. Maul has more self control. Right now, I have to give Kratos a slight edge only because Kratos has access to rage mode which makes him invulnerable to physical harm. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2015 19:30:12 GMT
That is true. In all seriousness, Kratos hasn't really had that much happen to him compared to Maul. Let's see. He was born to a tribe of insane witches on a blood-red planet, he was then kidnapped by a Sith Lord and given a hellish training regimen, and then he was cut in half and chucked down a pit. He was then shipped to a junk planet where he lived alone for like 20 years with only an annoying worm thing for company, and then metal legs were painfully grafted to his skin. And after all that, he was then tortured with force lightning by his old master and saw his brother die in front of him. Maul has a LOT to be angry about. It's only because of his undying rage that he's survived all this. It doesn't matter that two of his opponents are technically indestructible. He still wins. Experience with tragedy is really a non factor here. Juggernaut hadn't really had that much happen to him, it doesn't mean that's the reason why he's going to lose. It's all about how you react and channel what has happened in your life, if anything. Everyone here has a lot to be angry about, so what? Harry's owl died and Kratos murdered his family. Maul got chopped in half and Juggernaut was abandoned by his power source. (Isn't Colossus still the current Avatar anyway?) It doesn't matter if someone is indestructible? Yeah, no. What does Juggy have to be angry about, anyways? I never really understood why he hates Xavier so much. Okay, so realistically, Juggernaut should win. The dude doesn't even need oxygen to breath. But Darth Maul would probably get the most intense power boost from the ring, due to his anger. However, Maul is also more intelligent, more trained, and would probably be able to maintain more control over the Red ring's influence. Realistically, current Juggernaut would get ripped apart by Kratos. I think he's still without the gem, and even if he had it, his invulnerable would be useless in the hands of hope. But being able to breathe doesn't say anything about his abilities except for a blatant lack of asphyxiation. I do think that Maul would have more control, but I'd say his training is a toss up with Kratos. So is speed, when the Boots of Hermes are kept in mind. Kratos has the advantages of strength, defense, and sheer rage by virtue of the fact that he is a screeching rage monster. Maul has more self control. Right now, I have to give Kratos a slight edge only because Kratos has access to rage mode which makes him invulnerable to physical harm. Colossus is now possessed by the Phoenix Force or something. I don't know. I was just fanboy-ing before (I don't even know why, since I don't even think Maul is that cool compared to other Star Wars characters). I do think Juggernaut or Kratos would win. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Feb 19, 2015 18:14:30 GMT
Colossus is actually back to normal now (no Phoenix or Gem host), and Juggernaut is currently seeking back the power he lost, though hasn't yet found it, if I'm not mistaken. That means, while still strong, he'll be taken out rather quickly here. Maul, Kratos, and even Harry have what it takes to put him down before he becomes too much of a problem.
Personally, Maul has always been a childhood favorite. He was the idea of a mysterious villain with a frightening power and never before seen weapon. With that being said, he'll definitely be one of the ones to benefit most from the rage fueled crimson rings of death.
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Post by bigballerju on Feb 19, 2015 18:20:01 GMT
Yeah I guess when you think about it Maul would be the most powerful because he has a undying rage for Jedi, Sidous, and more it seems. Current Kratos doesn't even have all that rage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 18:25:22 GMT
Yeah I guess when you think about it Maul would be the most powerful because he has a undying rage for Jedi, Sidous, and more it seems. Current Kratos doesn't even have all that rage. That's why I found him so appealing after watching Clone Wars season 4. I originally thought that him coming back from the dead was dumb, but they really did make the character so much better, and it shows that while the Sith have flaws, the power of rage is impossible to ignore. I still don't think his design is spectacular or anything, but I like the scene where he used both a red lightsaber and a black lightsaber against his old master. That was cooler than any double bladed lightsaber. Lol. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Feb 19, 2015 18:36:50 GMT
Yeah I guess when you think about it Maul would be the most powerful because he has a undying rage for Jedi, Sidous, and more it seems. Current Kratos doesn't even have all that rage. I didn't say Maul would be the most powerful, I feel in terms of getting a boost, he'd tie with Kratos. Saying Kratos "doesn't even have all that rage" is unjustified. Even if we compare every event of their lives, you could have a random no name with more rage than both of them combined, yet hardly any reason to be angry. You need to make valid points! |
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Post by g4hardcore on Feb 19, 2015 18:43:39 GMT
That's why I found him so appealing after watching Clone Wars season 4. I originally thought that him coming back from the dead was dumb, but they really did make the character so much better, and it shows that while the Sith have flaws, the power of rage is impossible to ignore. I still don't think his design is spectacular or anything, but I like the scene where he used both a red lightsaber and a black lightsaber against his old master. That was cooler than any double bladed lightsaber. Lol. In my opinion, I like the double bladed saber more than dual wielding. The black saber was definitely and genuinely cool, but the difference between the original and dark blade are really minute. It's too bad Sidious tore him apart... why didn't Maul use his force powers from the beginning? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2015 19:28:06 GMT
That's why I found him so appealing after watching Clone Wars season 4. I originally thought that him coming back from the dead was dumb, but they really did make the character so much better, and it shows that while the Sith have flaws, the power of rage is impossible to ignore. I still don't think his design is spectacular or anything, but I like the scene where he used both a red lightsaber and a black lightsaber against his old master. That was cooler than any double bladed lightsaber. Lol. In my opinion, I like the double bladed saber more than dual wielding. The black saber was definitely and genuinely cool, but the difference between the original and dark blade are really minute. It's too bad Sidious tore him apart... why didn't Maul use his force powers from the beginning? I think they were just setting Maul up for a story in Star Wars Rebels. He'll likely return there. I always thought Grievous was the superior Vader analogue in the prequel trilogy. Apparently Lucas only created Grievous, Dooku and Maul just to foreshadow Anakin's eventual transformation into a Sith lord. It's really weird to say the least. Grievous was actually way cooler in the original 2D Clone Wars show. |
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Post by SSJRuss on Feb 20, 2015 4:42:05 GMT
In terms of rage, I think Namor and Kratos are about equal. Those two could fight for hours without a clear winner between them.
A question I would like to ask is can the Venom symbiote merge with the Red ring? If so, I could see it abandoning Flash for another host here, even though I know they are on good terms. Any one of these people getting that suit could be a game changer.
I also would like to ask, who do you think would fall first? My money is on Juggernaut, purely because he is the biggest target.
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Post by bigballerju on Feb 20, 2015 18:10:41 GMT
Yeah I guess when you think about it Maul would be the most powerful because he has a undying rage for Jedi, Sidous, and more it seems. Current Kratos doesn't even have all that rage. I didn't say Maul would be the most powerful, I feel in terms of getting a boost, he'd tie with Kratos. Saying Kratos "doesn't even have all that rage" is unjustified. Even if we compare every event of their lives, you could have a random no name with more rage than both of them combined, yet hardly any reason to be angry. You need to make valid points! I am making valid points. You need a reason to have enough rage and anger to be a powerful Red Lantern. Then when you have the power and know how to use it you will be a force to be reckoned with. Atrocitus before Guy took over dropped in power because once he got his revenge he didn't have the anger needed to be as powerful as he use to be originally. That's how it works if you read the series. Rage is always backed by a solid reason that keeps you angry and backs your rage. You have to have a lot of rage to be chosen as a Red Lantern. DC has gone out there way to show this. |
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Post by g4hardcore on Feb 20, 2015 23:57:38 GMT
How will Maul even be able to hurt Kratos? Even without a boost, his durability feats are insane. With the ring, forget about it.
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Post by xLEGACYx on Feb 21, 2015 0:39:51 GMT
While Maul may have more of a reason to exhibit rage, Kratos has the raw power before the ring. Adding the ring with his rage only furthers increases his ability to beat Maul.
Really only Kratos and Juggernaut will be left standing in the end. Then it comes down to unstoppable force vs immovable object. Juggernauts durability could prove too much for Kratos or Kratos raw power and magic may be too much for even juggernaut.
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Post by Terranova on Feb 21, 2015 0:40:06 GMT
So, it definitely comes down to Maul and Kratos. I think Kratos has enough raw rage to overpower Maul and would have really creative constructs-- like hydras, lances, and other God-themed things. HOWEVER, Maul is strategic and was trained to use his rage as a tool, not as something to throw around. I think what would defeat Kratos here is the fact that rings need to be recharged... He'd throw around energy needlessly while Maul would conserve it. Plus, wasn't Kratos in another fight before this? He wouldn't have been able to recharge the ring from last time. How will Maul even be able to hurt Kratos? Lightsaber? |
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Post by bigballerju on Feb 21, 2015 2:44:39 GMT
Kratos lost his need for vengeance when he impaled himself with the blade of olympus and has no more rage left after God of War III. Was it ever said where in the games Kratos was for this battle before he got the ring? It seemed to me when he yelled at Namor the gods couldn't smite me it was referring to Kratos after he beat the gods.
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Post by SSJRuss on Feb 21, 2015 4:08:05 GMT
Kratos lost his need for vengeance when he impaled himself with the blade of olympus and has no more rage left after God of War III. Was it ever said where in the games Kratos was for this battle before he got the ring? It seemed to me when he yelled at Namor the gods couldn't smite me it was referring to Kratos after he beat the gods. Technically yes, but the Kratos here killed the gods in a different way. He beat them after becoming a Red Lantern. |
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