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Post by Bergy on Nov 10, 2014 2:47:41 GMT
Enhanced spirit as it's been defined here is nowhere near what I was thinking, though it's not a bad idea for a power. However, a ghost does have powers a human doesn't, and it should cost points to have those powers. That is of course assuming we use a points based system, which I am adamantly against.
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Post by deo on Nov 10, 2014 3:53:46 GMT
I think we should just have "Immunity" as a power. The specifics of which can be filled in with the power title and the writing. Also, I'm for Enhanced Spirit. Without it, to make a ghost, you'd have to take Flight + Intangibility + Invisibility. Which was 6 powers just for a spooky ghost If the ghost is intangible all the time its superior level, same for invisibility. Add in Telekinesis, with ranged and area effect, and you've got 14.
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Post by pseudo on Nov 10, 2014 4:23:17 GMT
Yeah. I feel like that's a pretty big number for a pretty small powerset. Enhanced Spirit is one power that, in one interpretation, takes care of all the ghost stuff. Then you can use the rest of your points on your ghost to deal with Mind Control, Emotion Control, Gravity Manipulation or whatever else your ghost can do.
This is a specific and nitpicky example. I'd like to just get started and start writing and deal with the PowersList 1.0 before thinking about revisions.
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Post by Nihlium on Nov 10, 2014 5:08:48 GMT
we can insert Enhanced Spirit and people can use it as they see fit be it astral projection, Ghost, martial arts etc. Lets get this power list finished so we can start writtin charaters.
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Post by Bergy on Nov 10, 2014 20:59:03 GMT
I think we should just have "Immunity" as a power. The specifics of which can be filled in with the power title and the writing. Also, I'm for Enhanced Spirit. Without it, to make a ghost, you'd have to take Flight + Intangibility + Invisibility. Which was 6 powers just for a spooky ghost If the ghost is intangible all the time its superior level, same for invisibility. Add in Telekinesis, with ranged and area effect, and you've got 14. The thing is, I don't see what's wrong with that. You've got the powers there, and if all characters are limited by points then that's the fair way to do it. I think being limited by points is detrimental, so abandoning the points based system solves the problem of fairness here, allowing for an "enhanced spirit" or even "otherworldly spirit" power without it basically being cheating on powers. I think I've already said this in some form on this thread, but characters shouldn't be grouped by point costs, they should be grouped by actual ability and power level.
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Post by Nihlium on Nov 11, 2014 0:44:11 GMT
While points do cause a mechanics problem I think the point system is actually the fairest way to group and choose powers. It forces users to use creativity to define powers and personality; truth be told, someone could stretch flame control into four powers while another could squeeze it into one. The only thing that would make either character better would be the creativity and skill put into the character profile.
Where I think a problem lies is how we rank powers. If we change the point limits on the ranks or even change the amount of ranks we have I think a creating characters won't be as restrictive as before while still forcing creativity.
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Post by Darkender on Nov 11, 2014 4:27:03 GMT
I honestly don't see how the points system is restrictive. You can really get away with A LOT if you write it well. I already posted about how the focus isn't on the powers as much as the writing. You may be looking too hard at the powers and not at the creativity that can come (and has) from the system.
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Post by pseudo on Nov 11, 2014 5:27:02 GMT
I say, we work mechanically with the old system for now and make changes as necessary and voted on by the community in the future. Me, personally, I'm for the three skill levels, but I think they work better as caps. Street Level = up to 14. Global = up to 24. Cosmic = As Many As You Gorram Want. Also, I believe everyone should be able to make whatever level characters they want.
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Post by omfg on Nov 11, 2014 11:44:13 GMT
I know it's a lot to ask, but can someone make a mock character sheet? I never understood FPL, since I joined CBUB in it's last year, and the forums are down.
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Post by pseudo on Nov 11, 2014 15:26:15 GMT
Sure. I'll make a Street Level Character according to old FPL Specifications.
Also: I hope treach isn't like going out to hire a programmer or something. I'd feel bad if he was sinking money into this whole lovely shebang.
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Post by deo on Nov 11, 2014 15:26:58 GMT
I know it's a lot to ask, but can someone make a mock character sheet? I never understood FPL, since I joined CBUB in it's last year, and the forums are down. The old forums are still available, you just can't post anything. That's where I got this. Here's an old character by Ivan that's a pretty good template. I've bolded certain stuff to make it easier to navigate, and added the point counter in italics. But essentially this is it. (Edit. Just remembered the old forum censored certain stuff, so vulgarity is supposed to be f-u-c-k. ----------- NameC. C. PicAlignment Hero, Sentinels of Liberty and Justice Gender Male Location Khazan Stats: Strength- Superior 2 (2)Agility- Standard Body- Superior 2 (4)Mind- Standard Character BiographyWill Fairweather is the best damned kid I ever met, and *vulgarity* you if you don’t think so. All that shit in the papers and trashy celebrity mags, they call him Steel Will, or The Shining Sentinel, or take a poll about his sex appeal, and it’s all ridiculous but I say good for him, if anyone deserves it it’s that guy. Some jealous *vulgarity*face is always trying to talk shit about Will and if I ever hear it I make it a point to put that asshole through a wall. It’s not like I’ve got a crush on the guy, but I know what he’s been through and most people don’t. My dad died when I was 11, and he was more of a hero than I’ll ever be. He got a plaque under The Willow and I got sent to school in the March because that’s what the SLJ recommended and mom wasn’t in any kind of position to argue. Compared to the rest of my life at that time, changing schools was pretty easy for me, I already had my powers by then, I was a head taller than anyone else in my class. I was pissed at the world, and I did a lot of stupid shit. Mostly, I caused excessive property damage. Will lost both his parents that same month- their plaques sit in the same row as my old man’s- and he ended up a grade below me. Will had no powers then, at least I don’t think he did, he was just a skinny little twig who never talked to anyone but always made top marks. I didn’t bother bullying him much- I mean, I bullied everyone but he managed to stay below my radar. I mostly knew him from those stupid group counseling sessions we had to sit through (genius idea: take the most *vulgarity*ed up kids in the school, put them in a room together for two hours, and try to get them to open up about their feelings.) I punched the shit out of everything back then, but Will was the opposite, he just internalized all of it. There were, I don’t know, six or seven of us, maybe eight, who had plaques in Signal Park, but Will was the only one with two of them. He never talked in group, and honestly I don’t remember hearing his voice until high school. I had been held back in grade seven, and we ended up in the same class. We got transferred to The Anderson Prescott Magnet School for Metahuman Development- Will had gotten a bit bigger by then and we both played intramural Lacrosse and he tutored me in chem Junior year, highest grade I got that year, and when I was about to drop out during Amanda’s pregnancy scare he talked me out of it. I was still kind of a bully in high school, I guess, but never around Will. He just had this way of smiling, the saddest smile you ever saw, and suddenly you felt different, like, I don’t know, life is precious and shit. I honestly never expected to graduate, and I sure as hell never made any plans for what to do afterward, and six months before school was out my case worker comes to me and asks if I have any thoughts. Nope. She hands me this pamphlet. Will is on the cover. The SLJ had this program where they’d pay for 2 years of junior college, and in return I had to help build homeless shelters or whatever. I also had to attend combat training on the weekend, which was whatever, not as much fun as you’d imagine. Really I didn’t think I’d get in because of my grades and attendance in school but my case worker wrote a real nice letter and Will put in a good word for me, and thank god because otherwise I know I would’ve ended up with Ronnie Burns pulling black-and-blues for some Syndicate jambo. As it was, I worked my ass off and got an AAS in Construction Management, (I did enough property damage growing up, it was only fair,) and I got a great apprenticeship under Granite Guardian in the Bravo Sentinels. Will worked with us for a little while, but he got called up by Miss March last year and I rarely see him any more except on the news, flying over the city. Still, he deserves it. Everything good in my life happened because I knew Will Fairweather. PersonalityYou’ve probably never heard of my dad unless you’re a Sentinel fanboy, but for eight years he was known as Boilerplate and to me he was the greatest hero of all time. Dad’s favorite band was Poison, we used to listen to them on tape because we couldn’t afford a CD player. I was the master of the air guitar when I was a kid, so at some point I got the nickname C.C. and it stuck. Mom’s literally the only one who still calls me “Elliot.” Everyone at work knows me as C.C. too and when Blind Mike came to me a few months back and asked if I would be interested in taking my dad’s old code name, I balked. I’ve turned my life around a lot since high school, but there’s no way I could ever live up to that. Powers and AbilitiesBerserker- Standard 2 (6)One thing about the Bravo Sentinels that I learned real quick- it’s not a pissing contest. My first day on the job Granite Guardian had me hauling half-ton spools of mooring cable up from the Clacks- and by noon I was so beat I couldn’t think straight long enough to sign my time sheet. It can be hard on the ego- Will used to carry four at a time no sweat- but I’ve learned to appreciate my limitations. Still, sometime the job calls for some extra muscle, and then limitations be damned. I might not be able to bench press skyscrapers, but get me pissed and I can still chuck a Prius at you. It’s funny as shit to watch the new guys now, the ones who go all out on the first day. It took me a long time to figure out that if you work hard, people want to see you succeed. Kinetic Absorption- Standard 2 (8)In spite of what you might have heard about the Bravo Sentinels, working on Granite Guardian’s crew means I don’t see much combat action. I don’t mind, really, I sucked at SLJ combat training, and to be honest, some of my coworkers are so powerful in a fight that I end up running for cover. Still, I’ve got my dad’s power, even though I’ve never really taken the time to develop it. I’ve always been able to take a hit like a prizefighter. The first punch always hurts the most, but each time afterward seems to hurt less and less. That was why dad was such a good hero- the more you hit him, the tougher he got, but it didn’t save him, in the end. Concussive Attack- Superior ranged multi-attack 6 (14)Have I already told you how much I hated combat training? I can’t figure out why some of these guys go through it five or six times- once was plenty. Actually, I know exactly why they do it, because I never learned to use my powers very effectively, and if it didn’t remind me of dad so much I’d be down on the range practicing every lunch break. Sure, I can throw a punch, but dad used to be able to crush steel from across the room with his concussive lance. I mean, I can do it, sort of, and it looks impressive as shit, but it's enough to smash a windshield and not much else. Plus, firing a punch from fifty feet away and actually hitting the target are two different things entirely. Whatever, I might not be the most powerful Bravo Sentinel ever to lace up a pair of boots, but that doesn’t mean I can’t hold my own in a fight. Plus, I’ve got friends in high places. Literally.
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Post by pseudo on Nov 11, 2014 15:29:58 GMT
Deo beat me to it. As a small detail, it's also worth noting that the powers sections used to have names. C.C. Did too. Also, 4 points of C.C.'s list were used on Superior Strength and Body which, back then, didn't require a written section for either of them. Here is a link to that character sheet if you want to see what they used to look like
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Post by pseudo on Nov 11, 2014 15:42:22 GMT
I'd like a Teams Page that outlines what all the active teams are. I'd make'em but all that information is hidden all around this thread and it'd be a real rhymes-with-witch to dig through. Then, I guess it would make sense to pin one of 'em.
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Post by Nihlium on Nov 11, 2014 16:36:11 GMT
I'll help you with the teams page if you're having trouble rounding up the details. I was thinking of having a Teams page with subthreads fro each team.
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Post by omfg on Nov 11, 2014 22:24:26 GMT
He-he-he-he-heh I just got it Imagine Nation Imagine Imagination hehehehe
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