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Post by bi-han on Jul 7, 2015 10:48:09 GMT
Which characters do you find to be over-hyped by the fan(boy)s, and why?
Here are a few of my own contenders:
The Saint of Killers: Despite the very few things we actually see on-screen, the SoK is hyped up to be some sort of nigh-omnipotent, un-killable killer. The single best demonstration of his durability for example, is taking a nuke at close range, and simply proclaiming it to be "not enough gun". With that single feat of durability, fans have him capable of shrugging off any and all kind of attacks, at any level of power.
He is also, based on having been said to have killed off the devil, and being shown as killing the angelic host, and God, hyped up to be able to kill anyone and anything. And once again, the facts don't actually live up to the hype. Two quick examples being the SoK's own comment that he would have been unable to kill God, if he had been sitting in his throne. And the fact that every single one of his targets had physical, tangible, bodies(leaving us with no indication that he would be able to kill, or even hit, intangible targets).
Hancock: Another character where the fan(boy)s have taken the moderately few things we are actually shown, and just run amok with it. A few examples of the hype:
Based on the fact that we only see Hancock getting hurt while in the presence of his wife(who we are flat out told, weakens him), the fan(boy)s take that to mean(and use it as arguments in debates) that Hancock is totally and completely invulnerable, unless his wife is around to weaken him.
Based on the fact that we never really see him physically struggle at doing anything, the fan(boy)s take this to mean that he must have strength at the level of Superman(at the very least).
Based on the fact that his power set is the core power set of Superman(the flying brick), the fan(boy)s take this as proof that he must have the other powers of similar characters as well.
Based on Hancock flying to the moon and does a quick painting up there, the fan(boy)s take this(along with the earlier mentioned general power set), that he must be massively faster than light.
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Post by bi-han on Jul 10, 2015 15:32:42 GMT
A few more contenders:
Batman: While the Bat is admittedly impressive, the fan(boy)s take things to the next level.
Being an impressive aim-dodger is blown up to somehow being a confirmed bullet dodger. To give a single example.
The most ridiculously over-hyped part of the Bat is his "prep time". For some reason, the fan(boy)s are of the opinion that the Bat can defeat anyone, with a relatively small amount of prep time, while his various losses are shrugged off and hand-waved away.
The two single characters that are used to over-hype him are generally Superman, the fan(boy)s has somehow gotten it into their heads that the Bat can defeat him, despite it never actually happening in the comics, and Captain America, the fan(boy)s insisting that the two of them(Cap and the Bat) being roughly equal, despite their feats showing quite clearly that they are not(though admittedly, this may stem from a misunderstanding of Cap's powers).
Broly: Yet another character where the fan(boy)s have taken a few simple things, and run amok with them.
A single statement/incident, where Broly states that his "Ki is overflowing"(then proceeding to blow off some of the Ki that seems to be causing him pain), is taken to mean that Broly's power/Ki is constantly rising, despite the fact that after that singular incident, it is never mentioned again.
On top of this, a simple translation/dub error in the first movie is taken by the fan(boy)s to mean that Broly is a confirmed galaxy-buster(despite the fact that the entire first movie, takes place in the galaxy he is supposed to have busted).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 17:34:51 GMT
Do fan(girls) not exist?
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Post by bi-han on Jul 10, 2015 18:39:42 GMT
Sure they do, I just can't be bothered typing out "boys/girls" every single time. Screw political correctness. And just so I don't go off-topic... Doomsday(H/P): This particular version of Doomsday is already ridiculously powerful, and honestly doesn't need any kind of artificial boosting, but for some reason, the fan(boy)s once again take it and run amok. H/P Doomsday is the one that adapts instantly, on the spot, and the fan(boy)s take this to mean that he can, and will, adapt to absolutely anything, without limits. I have seen people claiming that this version of Doomsday could take down high end reality warpers, cosmic entities, and nigh-omnipotent plot device type characters, simply because he "adapts to their powers", and similarly "adapt" so that he has a method of actually killing them. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2015 19:12:01 GMT
You could just write 'fans'. Aaaaaanyway, I think there are quite a few 'overhyped' characters.
Darth Vader: That's right, I think the original Dark Lord of the Sith himself is a bit overhyped, at least power wise (though this only applies to the Canon continuity). Darth Vader has massive physical strength, and he is of course no slouch in lightsaber combat or in force abilities. However, the latter abilities aren't as powerful as people try to make out. Due to his limbs being cut off, Vader's connection to the force is not as strong as it was when he went by the name of Anakin Skywalker. His lightsaber duelling prowess was also quite severely diminished by the suit's movement restrictions. Can you imagine trying to fight anyone while wearing that?
That leads me to my next point. At no point in any of the films has Vader demonstrated movement or mobility remotely comparable to practically any other Jedi or Sith. As Darth Vader, Anakin is very slow. Fans tend to believe that Vader is among the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, including in the Legends continuity, and that he can even keep up with Sith Lords from the past that have been shown to have far more power than him. That only applied to his force potential as Anakin. After the near fatal battle with Obi-Wan, and after he put on the suit, that all changed. If Anakin had won the battle, he probably would have been among the most powerful Sith Lords ever.
In fact, I'm fairly certain that almost any major named Sith Lord from the Legends continuity could beat Canon Darth Vader in a fight.
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Post by xLEGACYx on Jul 10, 2015 22:15:55 GMT
You could just write 'fans'. Aaaaaanyway, I think there are quite a few 'overhyped' characters. Darth Vader: That's right, I think the original Dark Lord of the Sith himself is a bit overhyped, at least power wise (though this only applies to the Canon continuity). Darth Vader has massive physical strength, and he is of course no slouch in lightsaber combat or in force abilities. However, the latter abilities aren't as powerful as people try to make out. Due to his limbs being cut off, Vader's connection to the force is not as strong as it was when he went by the name of Anakin Skywalker. His lightsaber duelling prowess was also quite severely diminished by the suit's movement restrictions. Can you imagine trying to fight anyone while wearing that? That leads me to my next point. At no point in any of the films has Vader demonstrated movement or mobility remotely comparable to practically any other Jedi or Sith. As Darth Vader, Anakin is very slow. Fans tend to believe that Vader is among the most powerful Sith Lords of all time, including in the Legends continuity, and that he can even keep up with Sith Lords from the past that have been shown to have far more power than him. That only applied to his force potential as Anakin. After the near fatal battle with Obi-Wan, and after he put on the suit, that all changed. If Anakin had won the battle, he probably would have been among the most powerful Sith Lords ever. In fact, I'm fairly certain that almost any major named Sith Lord from the Legends continuity could beat Canon Darth Vader in a fight. Not hardly. Canon extends beyond just the movies. 1) While the suit restricted his movement, he adapted to it and formed his own personal style of combat. Due to his durability, he developed a very heavy offensive style of combat that allowed him to take some damage but deal out twice as much to his oppenent. He lightsaber style is ruthless and he uses his added strength in his swings. (As far as lightsaber duels are concerned) 2)While to begin with Vader's connection to the force was diminished, but after some time he learned to focus his anger and hatred (reason for his neditation chamber). Now his power in the dark side is greater then before. 3) Physically Vader is slower than before but once he uses his superior power in the force he can have increased speed to match most other force users. |
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Post by bi-han on Jul 30, 2015 21:05:25 GMT
Asura(asura's wrath): Try looking at pretty much any match on the internet featuring Asura. His fan(boy)s have him touted as being at least capable of universal level destruction, and being capable of moving massively faster than the speed of light. To the fan(boy)s, he is seemingly nigh-unbeatable in a raw brawl(dbz style fighting), and capable of beating universal(+) level reality warpers. All this despite none of this actually being demonstrated anywhere(or even part of his stated capabilities).
Asura gets the same general type of hype as Broly, only to a ridiculously higher degree.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 21:14:37 GMT
Asura(asura's wrath): Try looking at pretty much any match on the internet featuring Asura. His fan(boy)s have him touted as being at least capable of universal level destruction, and being capable of moving massively faster than the speed of light. To the fan(boy)s, he is seemingly nigh-unbeatable in a raw brawl(dbz style fighting), and capable of beating universal(+) level reality warpers. All this despite none of this actually being demonstrated anywhere(or even part of his stated capabilities). Asura gets the same general type of hype as Broly, only to a ridiculously higher degree. But he punched Chakrahvatin AKA God in the face. |
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Post by bi-han on Jul 30, 2015 21:37:59 GMT
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking, rather than a complete moron.
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Post by SSJRuss on Jul 30, 2015 22:07:10 GMT
Asura(asura's wrath): Try looking at pretty much any match on the internet featuring Asura. His fan(boy)s have him touted as being at least capable of universal level destruction, and being capable of moving massively faster than the speed of light. To the fan(boy)s, he is seemingly nigh-unbeatable in a raw brawl(dbz style fighting), and capable of beating universal(+) level reality warpers. All this despite none of this actually being demonstrated anywhere(or even part of his stated capabilities). Asura gets the same general type of hype as Broly, only to a ridiculously higher degree. Did you even play the final chapter? They were throwing galaxies at each other. It was insane. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 22:10:09 GMT
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're joking, rather than a complete moron. Yes and no. No, Asura is not quite a 'universe destroyer', but the guy is pretty damn close, give him some credit. But he did punch his universe's God. In the face. And it looked pretty painful. And awesome. Because Asura's Wrath is an awesome game. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 22:38:41 GMT
Asura could probably win almost any battle if the opponent were to make his daughter cry.
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Post by bi-han on Jul 31, 2015 14:00:34 GMT
Did you even play the final chapter? They were throwing galaxies at each other. It was insane. Yes, I've played the final chapter, and no, they were not throwing galaxies at each other. But I'll give you the same challenge as I've given a ridiculous amount of other people, who were making the same ridiculous claim. Provide some evidence for your claim. If you post a youtube video, then be sure to post a timeframe as well(for example: look from 1:23 - 2:49). Funnily enough, thus far, not a single one of the people I've given that challenge, has actually provided any evidence of "galaxy throwing". Chakravartin, in his golden statue form, throws stars(usually about 10-15 stars at a time), but there are literally billions of stars in a galaxy. Yes and no. No, Asura is not quite a 'universe destroyer', but the guy is pretty damn close, give him some credit. But he did punch his universe's God. In the face. And it looked pretty painful. And awesome. Because Asura's Wrath is an awesome game. Apparently I was wrong in giving you the benefit of the doubt on that one. No, Asura is not "pretty damn close" to a universe destroyer. Based on what he has actually done, he is at best a multiple solar system destroyer(not even a galaxy buster, and there are thousands of billions of galaxies in the universe). But hey, you're welcome to try backing up your ridiculous claim. I wish you luck, no one that has made similar claims about Asura, has thus far managed to back it up. Asura could probably win almost any battle if the opponent were to make his daughter cry. Not even close, but I thank both of you for nicely underlining the point I was making in my original post about Asura. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2015 16:09:22 GMT
He defeated the near-omnipotent god of the universe in a fist fight! How is such a claim ridiculous? It happened in the damn game. I'm sure that if he could defeat the Creator, the most powerful character in the game's universe, then he could easily do more than destroy a solar system, if he were to lose his sense of morality.
As for the point about him winning almost any battle if Mithria were to cry, it was a joke. Lighten up, man.
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Post by SSJRuss on Jul 31, 2015 17:36:56 GMT
Chakravartin, in his golden statue form, throws stars(usually about 10-15 stars at a time), but there are literally billions of stars in a galaxy. I did not find anything other than the star-throwing. I mistook those things revolving around the suns as planets I guess, but they look more like stars. He is probably a multi solar-system buster, but he did beat the All-creator when he was the size of a solar system (possibly galaxy but it's hard to tell) |
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